Show THAT Homeopathy works

[JaKiri]

Anyone thinking newton was right nowadays would be a quack, or at the least badly misinformed.

[Sayonara]

timokay said in post #14 :

Say,

Then how do you decide whether a person is ill, and what illness they have? ..the starting point for any clinical trials.

The same way you would, presumably.

 

S'pose you're right.

I am.

 

The BBCi site is FULL of the second type above, and therefore a complete waste of time.

 

So?

 

What do you think of the examples at the beginning of this topic?

Tim

Example 1 says nothing that supports homeopathic methodology. If it is meant to highlight any shortcomings with modern medicine, then it fails, as the author is clearly unaware of the massive advances in neurological therapy over the past 15 years.

 

Example 2 is a joke. Gonorrhea and Syphilis have been succesfully prevented and cured by medicinal means for decades. Mercury, on the other hand, has been well known for devastating the brain and vital organs for almost a century. The ability to give the formal name for a species of bacterium does not lend a theory or proposition credence - hard evidence does.

[timokay]

Say,

 

Example 1 says nothing that supports homeopathic methodology. If it is meant to highlight any shortcomings with modern medicine, then it fails, as the author is clearly unaware of the massive advances in neurological therapy over the past 15 years.

 

No, the value of Example 1 is to objectively show the action of a Homeopathic medicine on a disease..how Homeopathy deals with a mechanical problem. This is a test strategy, nothing to do with highlighting any shortcoming.

 

 

Example 2 is a joke. Gonorrhea and Syphilis have been succesfully prevented and cured by medicinal means for decades. Mercury, on the other hand, has been well known for devastating the brain and vital organs for almost a century. The ability to give the formal name for a species of bacterium does not lend a theory or proposition credence - hard evidence does.

 

The medicinal means are antibiotics, and these will not be effective for much longer.

 

Re. Mercury, devastating for more than 200 years. That is what spurred Hahnemann on to find a less toxic form of Mercury, and he found it.

 

There is hard evidence.

[atinymonkey]

Chaos Theory said in post #23 :

It doesn't matter. Medicine now is nothing like it was back then. If you were to only learn THEIR teachings, then you'd be one scary 'doctor'. If you only learn one of them you're just as scary. I don't care if you're the father of computers, I won't build my computer like yours from your information from back then.

 

Just playing Devils Advocate. But I'm really tired, so more like Devils Minion.

 

To respond to the computor analogy, binary is binary. The theory behind modern techniques remains constant. Perhaps the theory behind homeopathic treatment still has merit. Take the reference to homeopathic treatment being a placebo, there are studies that show placebo's to have a distinctly positive effect during medical trials. While it may be pointless to replace medicine with placebo's, they are still used by Doctors to treat patients who's condition can be improved simply by them believing that the magic tonic will cure all their ills. The immune system is boosted simply by giving the patient a placebo, in effect.

[Chaos Theory]

Placebo effect is kind of keeping the patient delusional. Why give someone a treatment when they need a lesson in relaxation and positive thinking? Send them for some therapy instead so they aren't a bunch of nuts 'hooked' on placebos.

 

A more positive outlook to therapy would be more beneficial.

 

A good bedside manner with treatment is beneficial as well. A cold and non-communicating doctor will do more harm than his meds will do good. That is all we need to learn from homeopathy. A patient with cancer treatments and help for their stress and worry would go far. A nice hot stint in the sauna, listening to favorite music, or whatever else they feel is relaxing and helps their 'spirit' through any type of treatment.

 

Stress never helps. Relaxation is a good stress cure.

 

Did you know depression begins with a stressor? Mix that with prolonged stress and hopelessness and you get depression that you can't just snap out of. Your whole body gets messed up. Then it's a long road to recovery

 

Learning how to deal with stress and keep your brain and body in good shape would go a long way to making people feel better, brighter and less fatigued.

 

Eat right. Exercise. Learn effective stress mangement. Throw in a massage, or good music, and you're good to go. Prevention. Then you won't get to that unhealthy state that people are trying to cure with placebos.

[BTox]

atinymonkey said in post #29 :

 

Perhaps the theory behind homeopathic treatment still has merit.

 

No it doesn't. The theory is absurd and has long since been disproven. It is based on nonsensical "laws" that defy the real laws of chemistry, biology and physics.

 

atinymonkey said in post #29 :

 

Take the reference to homeopathic treatment being a placebo, there are studies that show placebo's to have a distinctly positive effect during medical trials. While it may be pointless to replace medicine with placebo's, they are still used by Doctors to treat patients who's condition can be improved simply by them believing that the magic tonic will cure all their ills. The immune system is boosted simply by giving the patient a placebo, in effect.

 

Placebo therapy is all it is. If that's all they claimed, no one would have a problem with it. But they don't, they claim a therapeutic effect, some even claim complete cures of all diseases. Which has been conclusively proven to be false.

[BTox]

Now everyone here can see the true colors of a homeopath "physician". Scary, isn't it? Fortunately most people have the education and good sense to know homeopathy is complete garbage, is 100% ineffective, and would never dream of going to these quacks for any reason.

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k this flaming has to stop, now.