EvoN1020v Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 Is it true that when 1-butanol in the "presence" with sulfuric acid, it will produces water and 1-butene in an elimination reaction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 yes, though there will be slight competition with SN1 depending on the concentration of the acid- the more concentrated the more E1 will be favored. with dilute acid, there would be a bit more competition with SN1 because of the abundance of water and the fact that the hydroxyl group is at the end of the alkane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvoN1020v Posted January 15, 2006 Author Share Posted January 15, 2006 What's "E1" and "SN1"? I apologize, but I only know basic organic chemistry. I also have another question: What is this chemical structure called? @@@H@@@H@@@H@@@ @@@|@@@|@@@|@@@ H----C-----C-----C----H @@@|@@@|@@@|@@@ @@@OH@@OH@@OH@@ Something like 1,2,3 trihydropropane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane_alien Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 prop-1,2,3-triol or glycerine IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yggdrasil Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 In the presence of acid catalyst, 1-butanol would form primarily (E)-2-butene. The acid catalyst would promote the formation of a primary carbocation through an E1 mechanism, which would then undergo an intramolecular rearrangement to a secondary carbocation. The secondary carbocation would then preferentially form the internal, trans alkene, although minor amounts of the terminal alkene (1-butene) and the cis alkene ((Z)-2-butene) would be formed. A biochemist would refer to the second structure as glycerol, although insane_alien's names are more common among organic chemists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvoN1020v Posted January 16, 2006 Author Share Posted January 16, 2006 Would 1,2,3-propantriol be acceptable too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane_alien Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 no, it's not IUPAC compliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 true, but it IS used frequently enough to be acceptable in most instances, I don`t think there`s any chemist out there that Wouldn`t know of it by that name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkblade48 Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 What's "E1" and "SN1"? I apologize' date=' but I only know basic organic chemistry.[/quote'] E1 refers to elimination, unimolecular (as opposed to E2, elimination bimolecular). It occurs when you have a good leaving group on a molecule that will form a stable (i.e. tertiary) carbocation. A proton is then abstracted and a double bond thus forms (hence elimination). Sn1 refers to substitution, nucleophilic, unimolecular (as opposed to Sn2, which would be bimolecular). It is when the molecule in question (again) has a good leaving group, but this time, is relatively unhindered. This leaves it open for a nucleophilic attack from behind. For more information, perhaps you could look through Wikipedia, or an organic chemistry textbook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 so, to apply all this: the E1 elimination that would occur would have a lone pair of electrons from the oxygen from the hydroxy group grab a proton from H2SO4 just like water does when H2SO4 is diluted. so, like H2SO4+H2O-->H3O+ + HSO4-, in this particular case we get H3CH2CH2CH2OH2+ and HSO4-. eventually, a water molecule or HSO4- anion (though it will most likely be water because HSO4- is a dreadful base) will take a proton from the carbon next to the carbon that has the OH2+ group on it. the electrons from the C-H bond are then transferred to form a second bond between the last two carbon atoms. this pushes the OH2+ group off the end carbon and it leaves as water. the push occurs because we would see 10 electrons around the last carbon if the OH2+ group were not to leave. another important note is that if the hydroxyl group weren't protonated to form OH2+, we wouldn't see this reaction occur because OH-, due to its basicity, is a terrible leaving group. the sN1 we would see has the same first step- the OH group gets protonated. but instead of having a base take away a hydrogen, the OH2+ just leaves, resulting in the formation of H3CH2CH2CH2C+ and water. then later on, a nucleophile attacks the carbocation. but anyway, the sN1 wouldn't occur in any significant degree because a terminal carbocation is reaaaaaaaaally unstable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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