What do you think of this?

[abskebabs]

Hi everybody I'm posting 2 links on articles written by a russian team doing research in genetics. The articles are quite opinionated but I'd just like to know what ppl think of what they are saying. Are they just talking jargon to cover up the fact they are wrong; if they are criticising mainstream views in biology, or is there some substance to their argument?

 

The links are shown below, I would be very grateful for replies, as I placed a simliar post in the Physics section named Quantum evolution and haven't got many.

 

http://www.emergentmind.org/gariaevI2.htm

http://www.emergentmind.org/gariaevI3.htm

 

Thanks in advance:-)

[Airmid]

I made it through most of the first article. Then I turned to the Literature section to see what their background is. Whatever it is, it's definitely not in genetics.

As to the "proof" they are giving to back up their ideas: their main source is someone, who claims to have invented a machine that can transfer genetic information in the form of some kind of "bioelectric field" from individual to individual. According to our authors, he created a hybrid of a chicken and a duck with his machine.

A quick google search was pretty revealing: it did not return any publications by this person, nor any descriptions of his experiments by others than our authors and the like, nor any patents, nor any kind of biography, nor anything else to show that this person actually ever existed.

 

So here's my verdict: it's complete nonsense wrapped in lots of jargon, preferably used out of context, to cover up that they have no idea what they're talking about.

 

Airmid.

[prion]

No I'm afraid they lost me at "holographic memory of a chromosome continuum". And they go on to say that "information is ...transferred (plays out) throughout the entire space of a biosystem by the polarization code parameter." Lots of impressive long sciencey-sounding words, but not a clue what they're trying to say. There was some mention of "sign wave functions" - I presume they mean 'sine' wave...? And something about DNA having wave duality...

 

They did get one basic thing wrong early on though. They say that the subject of genetic coding is "an impregnable bastion for critics". They point out that the principle of DNA->RNA->protein is called the 'central dogma', and they think the name means that no-one is allowed to disagree with it, despite the existence of things like reverse transcriptase, which can make DNA from RNA. Well science doesn't allow dogma, the whole reason for naming it the 'central dogma' is for the opposite reason, it's kind of sarcastic, to remind ourselves not to take it 100% for granted all the time.

 

Edit: Ah I guessed they'd get round to prions eventually (everyone's favourite). Nonsense I'm sorry to say

[Bluenoise]

Wow, I can't believe whatever moron wrote all that wasted that much time of their lives.

 

One word to describe it. BULLSHIT

[abskebabs]

A quick google search was pretty revealing: it did not return any publications by this person' date=' nor any descriptions of his experiments by others than our authors and the like, nor any patents, nor any kind of biography, nor anything else to show that this person actually ever existed

Airmid.[/quote']

 

I can understand your skepticism but I just did a google search on one of the resaerchers named Peter Gariaev, and found lots of information about experiments carried out in Moscow and Toronto.

 

I found a more detailed article on their experiments too I've shown a link to below.

 

http://www.rialian.com/rnboyd/dna-wave.doc

 

a few other links:

http://www.rialian.com/rnboyd/life.htm

http://www.psrast.org/defknquant.htm

http://www.i-c-m.org.uk/journal/2004/aug/a01.htm

 

From what everyone has been saying this tuff does sound fake, but it defies me how anybody could waste so much time writing a load of crap.

[qed]

They did get one basic thing wrong early on though. They say that the subject of genetic coding is "an impregnable bastion for critics". They point out that the principle of DNA->RNA->protein is called the 'central dogma',

 

Despite the nonsense they are claiming, "Central dogma" is, although not often used today, really an official term.

[Airmid]

abskebabs, the articles and links you provided place our authors firmly in what is in my eyes the most irritating group of New Age devotees: the branch that insists to "prove" their ideas by abusing scientific research. Now I don't think there's anything wrong with New Age belief in itself. People should believe what they want to believe, as long as they don't hurt others. But any belief should be treated for what it is: a religion.

 

Lets have an illustration of how they try to scientify their beliefs. Suppose I believe that bathing in yellow light has healing properties, and that I want to prove my claims. So I do a quick search and find a scientific article about how sunlight makes plants grow. "Hey", I say, "See, this is my proof, because sunlight is yellow too!"

Of course, such reasoning is nonsense, notwithstanding the fact that the data I used are perfectly sound.

 

I read the same kind of reasoning in the articles and links that you posted. Only it's not sunlight, but quantum effects that is used as "deus ex machina" to "prove" their belief in paranormal healing, ESP, channelling, and whatever.

 

From what everyone has been saying this tuff does sound fake' date=' but it defies me how anybody could waste so much time writing a load of crap.[/quote']

There's a lot of money going around in New Age!

 

Airmid.

[Bluenoise]

I can understand your skepticism but I just did a google search on one of the resaerchers named Peter Gariaev' date=' and found lots of information about experiments carried out in Moscow and Toronto.

 

I found a more detailed article on their experiments too I've shown a link to below.

 

http://www.rialian.com/rnboyd/dna-wave.doc

 

a few other links:

http://www.rialian.com/rnboyd/life.htm

http://www.psrast.org/defknquant.htm

http://www.i-c-m.org.uk/journal/2004/aug/a01.htm

 

From what everyone has been saying this tuff does sound fake, but it defies me how anybody could waste so much time writing a load of crap.[/quote']

 

 

Ummm two of the links that your quoting are hosted on servers owned by cults.

 

Rialian ha ha

 

The other two sites are newage mumbojumbo.

 

There are good reasons why this stuff doesn't appear in more better known sources of literature.

[abskebabs]

I think its a fair point you're making, but do you think that these guys from the Institute of Control Sciences of the Russian Academy of Sciences in Moscow are actually New age devotees. Or is it work done by them has been taken advantage of and exploited by promoters of the New age belief system.

 

Is the work that has been carried out in Toronto and Dresden just some new age joke too? If you haven't seen them already I'll display the people and addresses of the places below.

 

Peter P. Gariaev*, Boris I. Birshtein*, Alexander M. Iarochenko*, Peter J. Marcer**,

George G. Tertishny*, Katherine A. Leonova*, Uwe Kaempf ***.

 

* Institute Control of Sciences Russian Academy of Sciences,

Moscow, Russia gariaev@aha.ru, http://www.aha.ru/~gariaev, and

Wave Genetics Inc. 87 Scollard Street, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, M5R 1G4, gariaev@wavegenetics.com,

**53 Old Vicarage Green, Keynsham, Bristol, BS31 2DH, UK,

petermarcer@aikido.freeserve.co.uk, http://www.bcs.org.uk/cybergroup.htm. .

*** Institut f. Klinische, Diagnostische und Differentielle Psychologie- Am Falkenbrunnen - D-01062 Dresden TU, Dresden, Germany, uwe@psy1.psych.tu-dresden.de

 

You could even email Peter Gariaev if you want to find out more about his new age scam!

[Bluenoise]

Hi everybody I'm posting 2 links on articles written by a russian team doing research in genetics.

 

Oh by the way you're wrong there. They don't do any research in genetics. Just skim over their references and you'll see that they contain no research articles on the topic they talk about. The only couple research articles they have in their refereces are on unrelated topics. They just make this stuff up as they go. There is no factual evidence to support this whatsoever. Meaning it's not science.

 

Everything they write comes right out of their ass. They just use big and inappropriate words to confuse their reader.

[Bluenoise]

I think its a fair point you're making' date=' but do you think that these guys from the Institute of Control Sciences of the Russian Academy of Sciences in Moscow are actually New age devotees. Or is it work done by them has been taken advantage of and exploited by promoters of the New age belief system.

 

Is the work that has been carried out in Toronto and Dresden just some new age joke too? If you haven't seen them already I'll display the people and addresses of the places below.

 

Peter P. Gariaev*, Boris I. Birshtein*, Alexander M. Iarochenko*, Peter J. Marcer**,

George G. Tertishny*, Katherine A. Leonova*, Uwe Kaempf ***.

 

* Institute Control of Sciences Russian Academy of Sciences,

Moscow, Russia [email']gariaev@aha.ru[/email], http://www.aha.ru/~gariaev, and

Wave Genetics Inc. 87 Scollard Street, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, M5R 1G4, gariaev@wavegenetics.com,

**53 Old Vicarage Green, Keynsham, Bristol, BS31 2DH, UK,

petermarcer@aikido.freeserve.co.uk, http://www.bcs.org.uk/cybergroup.htm. .

*** Institut f. Klinische, Diagnostische und Differentielle Psychologie- Am Falkenbrunnen - D-01062 Dresden TU, Dresden, Germany, uwe@psy1.psych.tu-dresden.de

 

You could even email Peter Gariaev if you want to find out more about his new age scam!

 

I'd not waste my time till you see some of this published in an acclaimed journal. If this had the slightest truth to it it would be ground breaking and you'd hear about it.

[abskebabs]

I'm wondering whether I should email this guy to find out if there is a shred of truth to any of this.

[abskebabs]

Oh by the way you're wrong there. They don't do any research in genetics. Just skim over their references and you'll see that they contain no research articles on the topic they talk about

Sorry about that, I should have just given the titles of the 2 articles.

[Airmid]

Peter P. Gariaev*' date=' Boris I. Birshtein*, Alexander M. Iarochenko*, Peter J. Marcer**,

George G. Tertishny*, Katherine A. Leonova*, Uwe Kaempf ***.

[/quote']

All of them are into New Age, I'm afraid. Gosh, such fancy names their organizations have!

 

Airmid.

[abskebabs]

Peter J. Marcer is the chairman of the Cybernetic Machine Specialist Group that is part of the British computer society. Most of the rest of the peope seem to have been inviolved with this group; giving presentations at conferences etc. Is this a New age organisation then?

[abskebabs]

I would be shocked if you were to tell me that all this work was faked or made up to back up some new age mumbo jumbo. I've found some more work by one of the researchers; Peter Gariaev and he's forumulated his own theory of wave genetics.

 

I've placed links below to this, but I do regret the fact that babel fish isn't translating it.

It's probably unlikely but does anybody know any russian by chance?

 

http://rusnauka.narod.ru/lib/author/garyaev_p_p/1/index.html

http://rusnauka.narod.ru/lib/author/garyaev_p_p/2/index.html

http://rusnauka.narod.ru/lib/author/garyaev_p_p/3/index.html

[Airmid]

... the Cybernetic Machine Specialist Group that is part of the British computer society. Most of the rest of the peope seem to have been inviolved with this group; giving presentations at conferences etc. Is this a New age organisation then?

Very much so, that's why I commented on "fancy names" in my previous post.

 

I know, it's tempting to actually believe all this stuff, especially because they wrap it up so prettily. But think of the harm that could come from it: "You have cancer? Don't go to hospital, they've got it all wrong, but instead buy my machine!" Again, there's not a thread of proof for their claims.

 

And that's going to be my final words on this issue. Take care now, abskebabs!

 

Airmid.

[abskebabs]

The BCS is the qualifying body for IT professionals in over 100 countries and was set up by the royal charter in 1984. Also the Cybernetic machine specialist group is one of 50 of its[surprise, surprise] specialist groups. I don't think therefore you can just write off these organisations as "New age" groups that want to sell you a supposed machine to prevent you from needing hospital treatment[for example].

[Bluenoise]

The BCS is the qualifying body for IT professionals in over 100 countries and was set up by the royal charter in 1984. Also the Cybernetic machine specialist group is one of 50 of its[surprise, surprise] specialist groups. I don't think therefore you can just write off these organisations as "New age" groups that want to sell you a supposed machine to prevent you from needing hospital treatment[for example'].

 

You're making the mistake of basing the ligitamacy of their work on associations. Not to mention an association that has nothing to do with genetics or research, a qualifying body for IT professionals, don't make me laugh. That has nothing to do with genetics research, might as well have just said they all had yearly passes to disney world. Which is a respectable ammusment park.

 

The work should speak for itself. Forget associations. Why not just read it, see if anything they say is actually backed up or endures scrutiny. Then make up your own mind and let that be the end of it.

Thats what I've done, and these are the factors that tell me it's bullshit.

 

1) No evidence whatsoever for anything they claim.

 

2) Deliberate contorsion of language and missuse of words including invention of countless new phrases with the obvious goal of confusing the reader.

 

3) All references of their own work are from meetings and completely unaccessible. Thus NO PUBLICATIONS.

 

4) All quality referenced material gives no support for their theories.

 

5) All their work hinges on the existance of a so called PLR spectroscopy which as far as I can tell doesn't exist outside of their documents. Plus this spectroscopy is supposed to measure quantum interactions that don't exist outside of their documents. Does this not sound completely obsurd to you????

 

 

There is a reason why you don't hear about this stuff. Because when they try to submit it to a respectable journal that just get laughed at.

 

That's all I'm going to say. If you're going to be fooled by their missuse of words and ideas that's your concern not anyone elses.

[Peter Gariae]

I think its a fair point you're making' date=' but do you think that these guys from the Institute of Control Sciences of the Russian Academy of Sciences in Moscow are actually New age devotees. Or is it work done by them has been taken advantage of and exploited by promoters of the New age belief system.

 

Is the work that has been carried out in Toronto and Dresden just some new age joke too? If you haven't seen them already I'll display the people and addresses of the places below.

 

Peter P. Gariaev*, Boris I. Birshtein*, Alexander M. Iarochenko*, Peter J. Marcer**,

George G. Tertishny*, Katherine A. Leonova*, Uwe Kaempf ***.

 

* Institute Control of Sciences Russian Academy of Sciences,

Moscow, Russia [email']gariaev@aha.ru[/email], http://www.aha.ru/~gariaev, and

Wave Genetics Inc. 87 Scollard Street, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, M5R 1G4, gariaev@wavegenetics.com,

**53 Old Vicarage Green, Keynsham, Bristol, BS31 2DH, UK,

petermarcer@aikido.freeserve.co.uk, http://www.bcs.org.uk/cybergroup.htm. .

*** Institut f. Klinische, Diagnostische und Differentielle Psychologie- Am Falkenbrunnen - D-01062 Dresden TU, Dresden, Germany, uwe@psy1.psych.tu-dresden.de

 

You could even email Peter Gariaev if you want to find out more about his new age scam!

====

 

It's better to use new inf-n about us and to read much more:

 

http://www.self-managing.net/genetica/

 

http://www.genoterra.ru/news/view/8/941

http://www.trinitas.ru/rus/doc/0231/004a/02310024.htm

http://www.trinitas.ru/rus/doc/0231/004a/02310024.htm

http://www.trinitas.ru/rus/doc/0231/004a/02310023.htm

 

Regards, Peter Gariaev, Ph.D., mol. biol-st, wave genetics. Moscow.

gariaev@mail.ru ; 12345d@mail.ru

[prion]

Goodness Peter you must have had real problems publishing if your desparation to defend your work extends to chasing up every person who makes any slightly negative comment on an informal internet forum, of which the members are mostly students. The only "harsh words" I said were that what was written on prions was nonsense. Having got a PhD in human prion protein folding from Imperial College, London, I absolutely stand by that. Tell it to the peer reviewers mate.

[Peter Gariae]

Sorry about that, I should have just given the titles of the 2 articles.

===

Dear Sirs,

please, read our papers in respect of wave genetics:

 

 

19. Гаряев П.П., Юнин А.М., 1989, Фантомный листовой эффект. Миф или реальность?, Энергия, N10, с.46-52.

 

20. Казначеев В.П., Гаряев П.П., Васильев А.А., Березин А.А., 1990, Солитонно-голографический геном с коллективно симметричным генетическим кодом., АМН СССР. Сибирское Отделение. Институт Клинической и Экспериментальной Медицины. Новосибирск. Препринт. 50с.

 

21. Гаряев П.П., Чудин В.И., Березин А.А., Ялакас М.Э., 1991, Хромосомный биокомпьютер, Врач, N4, с.30-33. Издательство "Медицина".

 

22. П.П.Гаряев, А.А.Васильев, Березин А.А., 1991, Геном как голографический компьютер, ГИПОТЕЗА (независ.науч.ж.) N1, N1, 1991-1992г.г., с.24-43; 49-64.

 

23. Gariaev P.P., Chudin V.I., Komissarov G.G., Berezin A.A., Vasiliev A.A., 1991, Hologrphic Associative Memory of Biological Systems, Proceedings SPIE - The International Society for Optical Engineering. Optical Memory and Neural Networks., v.1621, p.280- 291. USA.

 

24. Гаряев П.П., Горелик В.С., Моисеенко В.Н., Попонин В.П., Чудин В.И., Щеглов В.А., 1992, Комбинационное рассеяние света на решеточных модах нуклеозид-трифосфатов. Краткие сообщения по физике. Физический Инст. РАН, N1-2, с.33-36. Москва.

 

25. . Гаряев П.П., Григорьев К.В., Васильев А.А., Попонин В.П., Щеглов В.А., 1992, Исследование флуктуационной динамики растворов ДНК методом лазерной корреляционной спектроскопии. Краткие сообщения по физике. Физический Институт РАН, N11-12, с.63-69. Москва.

 

26. Гаряев П.П., 1993, Волновой геном., Деп. ВИНИТИ 15.12.1993., N 3092В93., 278с.

 

27. Агальцов А.М., Гаряев П.П., Горелик В.С., Щеглов В.А., 1993, Спектры нелинейно возбуждаемой люминесценции в нуклеозид-трифосфатах. Квантовая электроника, т. 20, N4, с.371-373.

 

28. Гаряев П.П., Григорьев К.В., Дзекунов С.В., Щеглов В.А., 1993, Динамика плазмидных ДНК. Краткие сообщения по физике. Физический Институт РАН., N9-10., с.37-41.

 

29. Трубников Б.А., Гаряев П.П., 1993, Семиотика ДНК. Российский Научный центр "Курчатовский Институт", ИАЭ-5690/1, Москва, 27 с.

 

30. Гаряев П.П., Горелик В.С., Козулин Е.А., Щеглов В.А., 1994, Двухфотонно возбуждаемая люминесценция в твердотельной фазе ДНК. Квантовая электроника., N6, с.603-604.

 

31. Гаряев П.П., 1994, Волновой геном. М. Изд. Общественная польза. 279с.

 

32. Gariaev P.P., 1994, DNA as source of new kind of God "knowledge", Act and Facts/Impact series, N12, pp,7-11.

 

33. Maslov M.U., Gariaev P.P., 1994, Fractal Presentation of Natural Language Texts and Genetic Code. 2nd International Conference on Quantitative Linguistics "QUALICO-94". September 20-24. (1994). Moscow, Lomonosov Moscow State University, Philological Faculty. pp.193-194.

 

34. Gariaev P.P., Vasiliev A.A., Berezin A.A., 1994, Holographic associative memory and information transmission by solitary waves in biological systems. SPIE - The International Society for Optical Engineering. CIS Selected Papers. Coherent Measuring and Data Processing Methods and Devices. v.1978, pp.249-259.

 

35. Гаряев П.П., Внучкова В.А., Шелепина Г.А., Комиссаров Г.Г., 1994,

Вербально-семантические модуляции резонансов Ферми-Паста-Улама как методология вхождения в командно-образный строй генома. Журнал русской физической мысли., N1-4, с.17-28.

 

36. Гаряев П.П., 1994, Кризис генетики и генетика кризиса., Русская мысль., N1-6, с.46-49. М., Изд. "Общественная польза".

 

37. Трубников Б.А., Гаряев П.П., 1995, Похожа ли "речь" молекул ДНК на компьютерные программы? Природа, N1, с. 21 - 32.

 

38. Березин А.А., Гаряев П.П., 1995, Моделирование электроакустического излучения ДНК как носителя биоинформации., 2-й Международный симпозиум “Механизмы действия сверхмалых доз излучений”, 23-26 мая 1995г., Москва. , с.122. (тезисы)

 

39. Гаряев П.П., Леонова Е.А., 1996, Генетический аппарат как волновая управляющая система., Международная научно-практическая конференция “Анализ систем на пороге XXI века: теория и практика”., с.69-78.

 

40. Готовский Ю.В., Комиссаров Г.Г., Гаряев П.П., 1996, Новая методика диагностики заболеваний по семи основным точкам акупунктуры (чакрам) и аппаратура для реализации. II Международная конференция “Теоретические и клинические аспекты биорезонансной и мультирезонансной терапии”. Центр Интеллектуальных Медицинских Систем “ИМЕДИС”. Москва, 1996г. с.164-169.

 

41. Щеглов В.А., Гаряев П.П., 1996, Лазер-лазерные взаимодействия и фантомные эффекты в генетических структурах. Материалы научной конференции с международным участием “Наука на пороге XXI века - новые парадигмы”.

 

42. Гаряев П.П., 1996, Семиотические ареалы волновых генов., Материалы научной конференции с международным участием “Наука на пороге XXI века - новые парадигмы”.

 

43. Благодатских В.И., Гаряев П.П., Леонова Е.А., Маслов М.Ю., Шайтан К.В., Щеглов В.А., 1996, О динамике возникновения дислокаций в молекуле ДНК., Краткие сообщения по физике. Физический Институт РАН, N3-4, с.9-14.

 

44. Гаряев П.П., Маслов М.Ю., Решетняк С.А., Щеглов В.А., 1996, Взаимодействие электромагнитного излучения с информационными биомакромолекулами. "Антенная" модель. Краткие сообщения по физике. Физический Институт РАН, N1-2, с.54-59.

 

45. Гаряев П.П., Маслов М.Ю., Решетняк С.А., Щеглов В.А., 1996, Модель взаимодействия электромагнитного излучения с информационными биомакромолекулами., Краткие сообщения по физике. Физический Институт РАН, N1-2, с.60-63.

 

46. Гаряев П.П., Леонова Е.А., 1996, Пересмотр модели генетического кода. Сознание и Физическая Реальность., Изд. "ФОЛИУМ", т.1, N1-2, с.73-84.

 

47. S.A. Reshetnyak, V.A. Shcheglov, V.I. Blagodatskikh, P.P. Gariaev, and M.Yu. Maslov, 1996, Mechanism of interaction of electromagnetic radiation with a biosystem, Laser Physics, v.6, N2, pp.621-653.

 

48. Berezin A.A., Gariaev P.P., Gorelik V.S., Reshetniak S.A., Shcheglov V.A., 1996, Is it possible to create laser based on information biomacromolecules? Laser Physics, v.6, N6, pp.1211-1213.

 

49. А.М. Агальцов, П.П. Гаряев, В.С. Горелик, И.А. Рахматуллаев, В.А. Щеглов, 1996, Двухфотонно-возбуждаемая люминесценция в генетических структурах. Квантовая электроника, v.23, N2, с.181-184.

 

50. П.П.Гаряев, 1996, Эпигенетическая роль внеклеточных матриксов. Гипотеза кодовой иерархии. Межреспубликанский заочный научно-технический семинар «Применение лазеров в науке и технике», вып.8. Иркутск. Изд. Иркутского Филиала Института Лазерной Физики СО РАН, с.85-107.

 

51. П.П.Гаряев, 1996, Информационно-волновые свойства живых систем. Голографический аспект. Межреспубликанский заочный научно-технический семинар «Применение лазеров в науке и технике», вып.8. Иркутск. Изд. Иркутского Филиала Института Лазерной Физики СО РАН, с.137-159.

 

52. П.П.Гаряев, 1996, О природе рефлексотерапии. Современные концепции первичных механизмов акупунктуры и акупрессуры. Межреспубликанский заочный научно-технический семинар «Применение лазеров в науке и технике», вып.8. Иркутск. Изд. Иркутского Филиала Института Лазерной Физики СО РАН, с.188-206.

 

53. Гаряев П.П., Леонова Е.А., 1996, Новая модель генетического кода. Сборник научных трудов. Академия медико-технических наук РФ. Отделение «Биотехнические системы и образование» при МГТУ им. Н.Э. Баумана. Выпуск 1. с.25-34.

 

54. Гаряев П.П., Тертышный Г.Г., Готовский Ю.В., 1997, Трансформация света в радиоволны. III международная конференция «Теоретические и клинические аспекты применения адаптивной резонансной и мультирезонансной терапии». «ИМЕДИС». Москва. 18-20 апреля 1997г. с.303-313.

 

55. Гаряев П.П., Тертышный Г.Г., Лощилов В.И., Щеглов В.А., 1997, Явление перехода света в радиоволны применительно к биосистемам. Москва. Сборник научных трудов МГТУ им. Н.Э. Баумана. «Актуальные проблемы создания биотехнических систем». Академия Медико-Технических Наук РФ. Выпуск 2. С.31-42.

 

56. Гаряев П.П., Македонский С.Н., Леонова Е.А., 1997, Биокомпьютер на генетических молекулах как реальность. Информационные технологии, №5, с.42-46.

 

57. Гаряев П.П., Тертышный Г.Г., Лощилов В.И., Щеглов В.А., Готовский Ю.В., 1997, Явление перехода света в радиоволны в биосистемах, Сборник научных трудов «Актуальные проблемы создания биотехнологических систем». Выпуск 2. Московский Государственный Технический Университет им. Н.Э.Баумана. Академия физико-технических наук РФ. Москва. С.31-42.

 

58. Гаряев П.П., Волновой генетический код., 1997, Моногр. М. Изд. Издатцентр. 108c.

 

59. П.П. Гаряев, М.Р. Гарбер, Е.А. Леонова., 1998, Виртуальный геном прионов. Фридмановские чтения. Всероссийская научная конференция. г.Пермь, 7-12 сентября 1998г. С.140-142.

 

60. П.П. Гаряев, М.Р. Гарбер, Е.А. Леонова, Г.Г.Тертышный, 1999, К вопросу о центральной догме молекулярной биологии. Сознание и физическая реальность, Изд. "ФОЛИУМ" т.4, №1, с.34-46.

 

61. Гаряев П.П., Тертышный Г.Г., Готовский Ю.В., Леонова Е.А., 1999, Голографическая и квантовая нелокальность генома. 5-я Международная конференция "Теоретические и клинические аспекты применения биорезонансной и мультирезонансной терапии". Часть II. "Имедис", Москва. С.256-272.

 

62. Gariaev P.P., Tertishny G.G., Kampf U., Muchamedjarov F., Leonova E.A., 1999, Fractal structure in DNA code and human language: Towards a semiotics of biogenic information. 7th International congress of the international association for semiotic studies (IASS/AIS). TU Dresden, October 3-6, 1999. p. 161.

 

63. Gariaev P., Tertishniy G. The quantum nonlocality of genomes as a main factor of the morphogenesis of biosystems. // 3th Scientific and medical network continental members meeting. Potsdam, Germany, may 6-9, 1999. p.37-39.

 

64. И.В.Прангишвили, П.П.Гаряев, Г.Г.Тертышный, Е.А.Леонова, А.В.Мологин, М.Р.Гарбер, 2000, Генетические структуры как источник и приемник голографической информации. Датчики и Системы, №2, с.2-8.

 

65. И.В.Прангишвили, П.П.Гаряев, Г.Г.Тертышный, В.В.Максименко, А.В.Мологин, Е.А.Леонова, Э.Р.Мулдашев, 2000, Спектроскопия радиоволновых излучений локализованных фотонов: выход на квантово-нелокальные биоинформационные процессы. Датчики и Системы, №9 (18), с.2-13.

 

66. И.В.Прангишвили, А.М.Ярошенко, П.П.Гаряев, А.В.Шабельников, Г.Г.Тертышный, А.В.Мологин, А.В.Мошков, А.В.Зубков, Е.А.Леонова, 2001, К проблеме единства ритмов вселенной. Датчики и Системы, №12, с.56-58.

 

67. П.П.Гаряев, 2003, Клонирование, СПИД, рак, диабет и волновая генетика. Сознание и физическая реальность. Том.8, №2, стр. 52-60.

 

68. P.Gariaev, 2003, Der wellengenetische Code. Tattva Viveka, №20, pp.68-73. (in German)

 

69. П.П.Гаряев, Е.А.Леонова, 2003, Странный мир волновой генетики. Журнал «Сознание и физическая реальность», т.8, №6, с.27-40.

 

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71. P. Gariaev, W. Wagner, auch auszugsweise, 2005, Der Phantomeffekt. Spiegelung zwischen Geist und

Materie. (Teil 1). Tattva Viveka, №26, pp.54-65.

 

 

72. П.П.Гаряев, Валтрауд Вагнер, Е.А.Леонова-Гаряева, А.Е.Акимов, И.А.Сухоплюева,

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СПИСОК НАУЧНЫХ ПУБЛИКАЦИЙ П.П.ГАРЯЕВА ЗА РУБЕЖОМ

 

1. Garyaev P.P., Vikhert A.M., Zakharkina G.A., Alexandrova L.G., 1977, Endogenous reserpine-like substances in the myocardium and other tissues of man and animals., USA-USSR First Joint Symposium on Sudden Death. Yalta, USSR, October 3-5, 1977, pp.323-338.

 

2. Gariaev P.P., Chudin V.I., Komissarov G.G., Berezin A.A., Vasiliev A.A., 1991, Hologrphic Associative Memory of Biological Systems, Proceedings SPIE - The International Society for Optical Engineering. Optical Memory and Neural Networks. v.1621, p.280- 291. USA.

 

3. Gariaev P.P., 1994, DNA as source of new kind of God "knowledge", Act and Facts/Impact series, N12, pp,7-11.

 

4. Maslov M.U., Gariaev P.P., 1994, Fractal Presentation of Natural Language Texts and Genetic Code.

2nd International Conference on Quantitative Linguistics "QUALICO-94". September 20-24. (1994). Moscow, Lomonosov Moscow State University, Philological Faculty. pp.193-194.

 

5. Gariaev P.P., Vasiliev A.A., Berezin A.A., 1994, Holographic associative memory and information

transmission by solitary waves in biological systems. SPIE - The International Society for Optical Engineering. CIS Selected Papers. Coherent Measuring and Data Processing Methods and Devices. v.1978, pp.249-259.

 

6. S.A. Reshetnyak, V.A. Shcheglov, V.I. Blagodatskikh, P.P. Gariaev, and M.Yu.Maslov, 1996, Mechanism of interaction of electromagnetic radiation with a biosystem, Laser Physics, v.6, N2, pp.621-653.

 

7. Berezin A.A., Gariaev P.P., Gorelik V.S., Reshetniak S.A., Shcheglov V.A., 1996, Is it possible to create laser on information biomacromolecules? Laser Physics, v.6, N6, pp.1211-1213.

 

8. A.A. Berezin, P.P. Gariaev, S.A. Reshetniak, K.V. Shaitan, V.A. Shcheglov., 1996, To the problem of possible development at a biolaser working on Frolich modes. Prepr. P.N.Lebedev Physical Institute №49, 12с.

 

9. Gariaev P.P., Tertishny G.G., Kampf U., Muchamedjarov F., Leonova E.A., 1999, Fractal structure in DNA code and human language: Towards a semiotics of biogenic unformation. 7th International congress of the international association for semiotic studies (IASS/AIS). TU Dresden, October 3-6, 1999. p. 161.

 

10. Peter P. Gariaev, Boris I. Birshtein, Alexander M. Iarochenko, Peter J. Marcer,

George G. Tertishny, Katherine A. Leonova, Uwe Kaempf ., 2001, The DNA-wave biocomputer. “CASYS” – International Journal of Computing Anticipatory Systems (ed. D.M.Dubois), Liege, Belgium, v.10, pp.290-310.

 

11. Peter P. Gariaev, George G. Tertishny, Katherine A. Leonova., 2002, The Wave, Probabilistic and Linguistic Representations of Cancer and HIV. http://www.emergentmind.org/gariaevI2.htm

 

12. P.P.Gariaev, G.G.Tertishny, A.M. Iarochenko, V.V.Maximenko, E.A.Leonova, 2002, The spectroscopy of biophotons in non-local genetic regulation. Journal of Non-Locality and Remote Mental Interactions Vol.I Nr. 3

 

13. Peter P. Gariaev, Boris I. Birshtein, Alexander M. Iarochenko, George G. Tertishny, Katherine A. Leonova, Uwe Kaempf, Peter J. Marcer, 2002, Fractal structure in DNA code and human language: towards a semiotic of biogenetic information. International Journal of Computing Anticipatory Systems, volume 13, 2002, pp. 255-273, ISSN 1373-5411 ISBN 2-9600262-7-6.

 

14. P. Gariaev, 2003, Der wellengenetische Code. Tattva Viveka, №20, pp.68-73. (in German)

 

15. P. Gariaev, W. Wagner, auch auszugsweise, 2005, Der Phantomeffekt. Spiegelung zwischen Geist und

Materie. (Teil 1). Tattva Viveka, №26, pp.54-65.

[abskebabs]

Hi again everybody, I did email Peter about his work, and I've got some links you may find interesting:

http://www.self-managing.net/genetica/

http://self-managing.net/genetica/Forum.htm

http://www.self-managing.net/genetica/zip.htm

http://genoterra.ru/news/view/8/941

http://www.trinitas.ru/rus/doc/0231/004a/02310025.htm

http://www.trinitas.ru/rus/doc/0231/004a/garijaev-prospects-of-wave-genetics.files/frame.htm

It's a shame that a lot of this is in russian though:-(

[matty]

I would be shocked if you were to tell me that all this work was faked or made up to back up some new age mumbo jumbo. I've found some more work by one of the researchers; Peter Gariaev and he's forumulated his own theory...

 

...It's probably unlikely but does anybody know any russian by any chance?

 

No shortage of theories, especially in an information era, a digital age and, while that does throw some more interest on the scene, it certainly does clog the arteries of the verifiable to a fault. Of course, people spend every effort to fortify whatever they're pushing, and not just in the interest of foulplay/'idle hands' but well meaning, misled curiosity. It does make the wading through it all to get to the actual value a bit of a trudge but no way around it, only shortcuts in being, well, reserved. You did reserve judgment, you brought it here in curious question, so you're on the right path.

 

There are any number of translators, Google Translate is decent, if I remember,correctly, though I did have some trouble last time I used it. There's a site translating tool as well, probably many, but I can't recall a name, searching that oughta do it well enough though.

 

Uh..and apparently I had pleasure of timing in meeting with the bottom of this thread exactly with our heady friend, Illul, here, lol.

 

P.S, abskee

 

Meant to suggest you go have a good long look here in the Speculations and Rational skepticisms forums, having a look around the trash bin couldn't hurt either. I mean it will familiarize you with just how difficult it is to manage through all that trudging I mentioned.

Edited December 9, 2011 by matty