NeonBlack Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11856589/ This blew me away! I thought this had been settled in the nineties. "A school could lose its state accreditation if it did not offer nine weeks of instruction on 'abstinence until marriage' at least once in grades 6-9." Funny, half of the course would be "not-sex" education. When I had sex ed, it was like a one day thing. Abstinence: Not doing it. There's not much to it than that. I just don't understand how they could spend a full school quarter on it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Moved to Politics-not science news Anyways, they probably spend most of the quarter showing you slides of various STDs to disgust people enough so that they won't try having sex for another ten years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorceressPol Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Moved to Politics-not science news Anyways' date=' they probably spend most of the quarter showing you slides of various STDs to disgust people enough so that they won't try having sex for another ten years.[/quote'] In my health class all the teacher had to do was show a very graphic video of a woman giving birth. I still have flashbacks to that film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustStuit Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 In my health class all the teacher had to do was show a very graphic video of a woman giving birth. I still have flashbacks to that film. I closed my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11856589/ This blew me away! I thought this had been settled in the nineties. "A school could lose its state accreditation if it did not offer nine weeks of instruction on 'abstinence until marriage' at least once in grades 6-9." Funny' date=' half of the course would be "not-sex" education. When I had sex ed, it was like a one day thing. Abstinence: Not doing it. There's not much to it than that. I just don't understand how they could spend a full school quarter on it![/quote'] The way you quoted that passage from the article made it seem like the Kansas school board actually adopted a policy of revoking accreditations unless an abstinence course was taught. The mandatory abstinence course was just the idea of one board member, and it was not voted on or implemented in any way. Further, the article also mentions that a bill was approved by the Kansas state Senate to continue sex ed and to prevent abstinence-only ed. So things aren't as bad as it would seem (at least not yet) from a cursory glance at this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 It's a shame that the same people who feel abstinence is the answer also frown on any form of sex other than intercourse. They also object to the gay lifestyle but frown twice as much when gays want to marry. How... retentive. I agree with NeonBlack. Why nine weeks of "wait till marriage"? Can you really do that without bringing religion into it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saryctos Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 you could cover weeks of Tax bonuses for having a child and being married Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane_alien Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 my sex ed came from the graffiti in the toilets. no-one taught me not to have sex but i didn't until i was almost 17. yes i had urges and opportunities came up but i thought 'why? i'm not in love with that girl, it would just spoil my firsst if i had sex with her now. Who cares about abstinence as long as we've got contraception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In My Memory Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 When I had sex ed, I was told my uterus was the playground of demons and Satan himself, and only the sanctified union of marriage could protect me and others from their spells and drive the demons away for good. Yes, I'm serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzurePhoenix Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I think there would have been alot fewer problems at my school if they'd simply mentioned condoms in sex ed. At least the babies were cute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 When I had sex ed' date=' I was told my uterus was the playground of demons and Satan himself, and only the sanctified union of marriage could protect me and others from their spells and drive the demons away for good. Yes, I'm serious. [/quote'] Nun: "And in conclusion, girls, remember that Satan himself waits for unmarried girls who are foolish enough to trade an hour of pleasure for an eternity of pain and suffering. Are there any questions?" Girl: "I have a question, sister. How do you get a guy to 'do it' for an hour?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphus Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 One wonders at the mentality behind this sort of thing. Do you suppose it's based on real ignorance of what the actual result of "abstinence education" is, or just sheer bloody-mindedness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 One wonders at the mentality behind this sort of thing. Do you suppose it's based on real ignorance of what the actual result of "abstinence education" is, or just sheer bloody-mindedness?I think some people are told from birth how utterly depraved and filthy and sinful and wrong they are just for being human and the only way they can have a shred of dignity is by listening to those who know better and following their rules. Some people make it all about sin instead of all about love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcs Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Let's just scrap sex education period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timo Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 When I had sex ed' date=' I was told my uterus was the playground of demons and Satan himself, and only the sanctified union of marriage could protect me and others from their spells and drive the demons away for good. Yes, I'm serious. [/quote'] Sounds like a good reason to demand that parents explicitely have to state that they want that education for their children Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callipygous Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 the sex ed i went through covered diseases, anatomy (and how to actually do the deed), various forms of contraception (including abstinance), as well as how to put on a condom. not too bad in my book : P i disagree with the idea of parents deciding if their kids get sex ed. i know this is sort of an invasion of privacy, but if a parent is trying to shelter their kid THAT much i dont think they should have as much of a say in what the kid learns. i think it goes the other way, atheist. what about all the heavily religious parents who dont want their kids to know about the horrible sin that is sex? its much harder to keep a kid brainwashed when they get the actual facts from someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 it's really too bad that this sort of thing happens. like it or not, sexuality can be a huge part of life and can be so in a healthy way. unfortunately, many kids don't grow up to appreciate the gift that is to be found in their sexual potential and they miss out on one of life's greatest pleasures. when they finally do discover it, many do not know how to go about doing it. also, many people hate themselves for their fetishes because they don't know they're acceptable, if not common. this sort of thing should also be mentioned in classes for the mental benefit of students. it's ridiculous. do we have a bunch of frigid legislators or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john5746 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 I think parents should be informed about the sex ed prior to it happening. The child should hear it from their parents first, so at least give them the opportunity. Also, abstinence is the best policy - but nine weeks is enough for ALL sex ed!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 i fail to see how abstinence is the best policy. are adults not just as susceptible to diseases and unwanted pregnancies as adolescents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 The idea is that you get a blood test when you're married (by law) so you know if you should abstain or not when you're married, but if you go after any random person, then you won't know if they have an STD or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11856589/ This blew me away! I thought this had been settled in the nineties. Funny' date=' half of the course would be "not-sex" education. When I had sex ed, it was like a one day thing. Abstinence: Not doing it. There's not much to it than that. I just don't understand how they could spend a full school quarter on it![/quote'] Since we are sharing sex-ed horror stories, I had three sources of information. When I was around 11, my dad took me and my brother underneath the house on the pretext that we needed to fix the plumbing. My brother was two years older than me and, I guess, had been asking about sex. Dad had the birds and the bees discussion there under the house where it was dank and dark and crawling with bugs. The positive side is that I was fairly clueless about what he was talking about so wasn't to scarred by it. Only later, did I realize what he had been talking about. The second source of information was my brother, who knew next to nothing too. When I was 12, we moved out to a 360 acre "ranch" complete with a bull, about 15 cows, a couple of pigs and three horses. Once a bull mounted one of the cows and my dad told me that was sex. I was fairly horrified and made all kinds of incorrect inferences. Suffice it to say that I agree sex-ed should be taught but, of course, there are lines to be drawn there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starbug1 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Since we are sharing sex-ed horror stories' date=' I had three sources of information. When I was around 11, my dad took me and my brother underneath the house on the pretext that we needed to fix the plumbing. My brother was two years older than me and, I guess, had been asking about sex. Dad had the birds and the bees discussion there under the house where it was dank and dark and crawling with bugs. The positive side is that I was fairly clueless about what he was talking about so wasn't to scarred by it. Only later, did I realize what he had been talking about. The second source of information was my brother, who knew next to nothing too. When I was 12, we moved out to a 360 acre "ranch" complete with a bull, about 15 cows, a couple of pigs and three horses. Once a bull mounted one of the cows and my dad told me that was sex. I was fairly horrified and made all kinds of incorrect inferences. Suffice it to say that I agree sex-ed should be taught but, of course, there are lines to be drawn there too.[/quote'] In school, I was refrained from any sort of sex-education, and I never did get to see the pregnancy video, and I never got the "birds and the bees" talk. I got a book, and therefore the indepth scientific approach, so by age 14, i had a better knowledge of it than did most of my peers. (most of the guys I know, learned what they know about sex from porn, I'd say about 95%) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john5746 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 i fail to see how abstinence is the best policy. are adults not just as susceptible to diseases and unwanted pregnancies as adolescents? Adolescents are not considered mature enough to make certain decisions, that is why no smoking, drinking, war, don't have to work, statutory rape, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecoli Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Adolescents are not considered mature enough to make certain decisions, that is why no smoking, drinking, war, don't have to work, statutory rape, etc. Yet, I see kids making better decisions than their parents all the time. This subject wouldn't be a problem, if there was a taboo against having sex in front of your children. (I don't mean as demonstative purposes... just as the natural biological act that it is) . I feel if this happened there would be no mystery surrounding it, no fear and other negative connotations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callipygous Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 that just seems wrong. i think youd end up with some traumatized children, but i cant put my finger on why, which means its probably just the taboo kicking in : P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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