cambrian_exp Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 http://www.msstate.edu/org/sacs/evsim.html this is page i stumbled upon.looks like creationist site, pls see that. also see this http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 the first one ignores the fact that evolution uses cumulative selection. i've not viewd the second yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the tree Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 From the second one According to the theory of evolution, living things came into existence by [... blah ... blah ... blah ...]There's little point in reading something that doesn't know what it is refuting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhDP Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 That's just nonsense. To make a realistic simulation, they should start with a random 9-letters "word", then from that word, generate a certain number of word with some letter changed (mutations). Those "word" looking more like "evolution" should be selected, and from this word, again, generate a certain number of words with some letter changed, et cetera... With some generation the word "evolution" would come up easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bascule Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/ Harun Yahya is full of shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambrian_exp Posted June 1, 2006 Author Share Posted June 1, 2006 these creationist people waste their resources in stuff full of nonsense and shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silkworm Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 these creationist people waste their resources in stuff full of nonsense and shit And they show huge amounts of disrepect to the followers of the religion they share by doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooeypoo Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 hehe!!! This is the most hilarious attempt to critisize evolution I have EVER seen!!! I can't stop laughing, geesh. hehe. Well, what they're doing is showing what "random" is.. not what evolution is... they're ignoring every possible rule regarding the theory of evolution, and picking only the "random events" part. Quite amusing, really. hehe. Thanks for the amusement, cambrian_exp. I don't quite know how this is even WORTHY of a reply, let alone a scientific debate though, since it's so.. hilariously... wrong!! ~moo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reor Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 And yet, many creationists use this kind of "evidence" in their arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooeypoo Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 darling, creationists use "evidence" their pastors give them. "You have a nose, that is meant to breath the air around you!!! How can that be created randomly?!?!" Is also something they're "using". May I remind you, also, that those people often say that you should not speak "his" name without fear of devine punishment... those people are just impossible to argue with, since their "logic" is illogical, and quite frustrated to argue with. It kinda leaves you with no words.. amazed at.. the way people just take things for granted. Doesn't mean its not funny... it just makes them sound extremely stupid. ~moo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bascule Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 the first one ignores the fact that evolution uses cumulative selection. i've not viewd the second yet. Hooray for someone else who needs to read my signature! Sadly I think the "evolution is random" strawman will persist forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Hooray for someone else who needs to read my signature! Sadly I think the "evolution is random" strawman will persist forever don't you mean "someone who DOESN'T need to read my signature!"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bascule Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 don't you mean "someone who DOESN'T need to read my signature!"? I meant them silly, not you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 well, you quoted me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmallIsPower Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 Oh My God! We're impossible! I wonder what the probablity of the whatevers self-assembling into God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 Oh My God! We're impossible! I wonder what the probablity of the whatevers self-assembling into God. Yea.. I came to that conclusion long ago. However if we are impossible, its impossible for me to actually come to that conclusion. therefore, I exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reor Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 I just visited that evolution generator site again and got something like EVOLUCDON on the first refresh and some dirty words afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edtharan Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 You know for my year 11 computing project I made an evolution simulator. The user could enter any word or sentance (up to 80 characters - this was in the old DOS days) and it would try to evolve it. The way I did this was to initially produce 100 random strings of the requiered length. Then I would select the best strings. I did this is 2 ways: 1) I would count the numbers of each letter in the string. The best were the strings that had similar numbers of the letters in the target string (ie if the target string had 5 letter "F"s then the closter a string had to that number of "F"s the better it was) 2) I would check the positions of letters. If a string had more matching letters in the same position as the target string the higher it rated. I then weighted the two conditions above (#1 was weighted slightly higher) and then chose the best 9 and discarded the rest. I then mutated them (transposed letters, changed letters, etc) and made 10 coppies of each. For the remaining 10 strings (in the set of 100) I would populate with purely random strings. This would usually reproduce the desier target string in less than a minute. Now unlike real world evolution, this is a directed evolution with a specific goal. But one could see this goal as a section of DNA that is the most efficient at doing it's job (eg: to produce the best protien shape, etc). For my year 12 computing project, I made a few changes. Instead of having a preset string, the user would choose, after each generation, the strings that they though best matched their desiered target string(s). I also used around 200 strings for this one. The "evolution" simulator on the webpage is just a random string simulator. With no Selection it can never come close to simulating evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GutZ Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 I don't understand...are they saying that "virus fX174" is the first biological organism? How do they know that? Isn't that like calculating the possibility of a plant randomly turning into a human...where are the other steps leading to that? that makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edtharan Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 I think I might re write my evolution simulator someday and post it up to one of these sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severian Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 This thread is grossly mistitled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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