Help required for a New Invention

[bigOz]

Encouraged by the current Global Warming crisis, I am in need of a partner for an eco-friendly energy saving gadget I have developed. I have designed all the electrical circuitry required and a prototype is in progress. However, I have no idea about making the mechanical parts more efficient.

 

I intend to enter this gadget for a development and commercialisation award by Powergen-energylab.co.uk, currently on offer to the finalists of a competition based on energy saving ideas. The award is £50,000 plus expert advice/assistance in developing the new product.

 

If you can help design the effficient mechanical parts for the project, please let me know asap.

[Guest Science_Geek]

Very Interesting! I may be able to help you but I need to know what the new invention is. Perhaps you can send me a private message - I have a feeling I know you!

[bigOz]

Very Interesting! I may be able to help you but I need to know what the new invention is. Perhaps you can send me a private message - I have a feeling I know you!

 

I hope you'll understand why I cannot disclose details of my invention at this stage even if it is a personal message to you. I will, however, contact you asap to let you know of my decision, if you can confirm you are confident and experienced in designing efficient mechanical parts.

[bigOz]

I hope you'll understand why I cannot disclose details of my invention at this stage even if it is a personal message to you. I will' date=' however, contact you asap to let you know of my decision, if you can confirm you are confident and experienced in designing efficient mechanical parts.

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Primarily it involves generating power using a free source of energy that does not depend on the use of gas, oil, solar, tide/wave or nuclear power... The key is: "to be able to convert a form of potential energy into kinetic energy so that electricity can be produced"!

[woelen]

Please explain in more detail. You know, this is a science forum, and if you cannot/are not allowed to discuss the principles behind this, then please stop posting here. Forums are public and confidential things can better be covered by a consultancy agency or whatever.

[bascule]

Please let me buy into your perpetual motion scheme! Though all of the others I've invested in have nearly bled me dry, I have recovered, and am now convinced that yours may be the real deal!

[bigOz]

Please explain in more detail. You know' date=' this is a science [i']forum[/i], and if you cannot/are not allowed to discuss the principles behind this, then please stop posting here. Forums are public and confidential things can better be covered by a consultancy agency or whatever.

 

Really? Did I sound like I need a consultancy agency? I guess you know a few...

[insane_alien]

so basically your making a rubber band electric generator. have fun with that.

 

you could also argue that with using oil to fuel a generator, you are using potential energy to create electricity.

[woelen]

Really? Did I sound like I need a consultancy agency? I guess you know a few...

You want help on your device (whatever that may be, see reactions of others above), but you cannot tell/don't want to tell, what the device is.

 

If you want real help from this forum, then formulate a mechanical problem (leaving open from where this problem is originated) and ask for help. If that is not possible, because it would require you to disclose too much of the device you're working on, then quit posting about this and ask a mechanical consultancy agency, and let them sign an NDA. Of course, the latter costs $$$$$. An other alternative would be discussion with a knowledgeable person in private, whom you trust.

[Phi for All]

I hope you'll understand why I cannot disclose details of my invention at this stage even if it is a personal message to you. I will, however, contact you asap to let you know of my decision, if you can confirm you are confident and experienced in designing efficient mechanical parts.

Is Science_Geek a sock puppet account you started on another computer or just a friend? Terrible coincidence him joining and posting in the same thread at the same time as you and sounding like a shill. Forgive the skepticism, but it's part of the scientific method.

 

What exactly can you tell us on a public forum that will convince us you're not looking for gullible investors? As woelen mentioned, forming a mechanical problem which will garner some ideas while not giving away your design ideas would be helpful.

[CPL.Luke]

also disclosing the kind of potential energyyour going to be using shouldn't hurt you to much, its practically impossible to patent the use of a specific kind of energy, you can however patent a method of extracting it.

 

I would be interested in hearing what your idea is, and I know quite a few mechanical engineering majors, but you would have to at least tell us where the energy is coming from. When you say "free energy" it sounds like your talking about a form of perpetual motion, which immediatly sets off my crackpot alarm.

[insane_alien]

Primarily it involves generating power using a free source of energy

 

i took that to mean that it needs to use an energy source that is free as in available without charge.

[Sayonara]

In point of fact to the people who are discussing perpetual motion (nobody in particular), he says "free energy source", which could be water, air, or even junk mail.

 

Can we only have positive replies to this thread from now everyone, pls k thx.

 

 

[edit] Simultaneous posts! What I_A said. Yeah!

[bigOz]

You want help on your device (whatever that may be' date=' see reactions of others above), but you cannot tell/don't want to tell, what the device is.

 

If you want real help from this forum, then formulate a mechanical problem (leaving open from where this problem is originated) and ask for help. If that is not possible, because it would require you to disclose too much of the device you're working on, then quit posting about this and ask a mechanical consultancy agency, and let them sign an NDA. Of course, the latter costs $$$$$. An other alternative would be discussion with a knowledgeable person in private, whom you trust.[/quote']

 

Thank you for the advice. I am disclosing more details of what exactly I am after in my reply to CPL.Luke.

[bigOz]

also disclosing the kind of potential energyyour going to be using shouldn't hurt you to much' date=' its practically impossible to patent the use of a specific kind of energy, you can however patent a method of extracting it.

 

I would be interested in hearing what your idea is, and I know quite a few mechanical engineering majors, but you would have to at least tell us where the energy is coming from. When you say "free energy" it sounds like your talking about a form of perpetual motion, which immediatly sets off my crackpot alarm.

[/quote']

 

OK! Here is the answer:

You hit it right! It is not exactly but as close as you can get to perpetual motion. The potential energy the device will use is magnetic. The output will depend greatly on the efficiency of the mechanical parts involved (wheels & cogs) - hence the need for someone who knows about mechanics.

[bigOz]

What exactly can you tell us on a public forum that will convince us you're not looking for gullible investors? As woelen mentioned' date=' forming a mechanical problem which will garner some ideas while not giving away your design ideas would be helpful.

[/quote']

I am ignoring the first part of your post - you are forgiven!

 

I have never asked for financing - I would be happy to get an assistance or development award from an established organisation. At this time I came accross an award for new energy saving ideas by powergen-energylab.co.uk but I need to act quickly to present a sensible idea.

 

I have explained a bit more about my invention to Woelen in my previous post. What I am asking is if there is someone competent in creating extremely efficient movable mechanical parts and if they have the time and interest to participate in such a project. At the end of the day I only need one partner and will have to choose one of the interested parties.

[bascule]

It is not exactly but as close as you can get to perpetual motion. The potential energy the device will use is magnetic.

 

Those two sentences are setting off quite a few alarm bells.

[Phi for All]

What I am asking is if there is someone competent in creating extremely efficient movable mechanical parts and if they have the time and interest to participate in such a project.

By "extremely efficient" do you mean "frictionless"? It's usually a failure to account for the inevitable effects of friction that keeps many perpetual devices from actually being perpetual.

 

Can I assume you are using permanent magnets? Electromagnets are not a free energy source. Even the cost of permanent magnets must be factored in to the energy output equation.

[mustang292]

bigOz, you might be too late, check, check, check it out: http://blog.sciam.com/index.php?title=get_your_free_energy_here&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

[Klaynos]

By "extremely efficient" do you mean "frictionless"? It's usually a failure to account for the inevitable effects of friction that keeps many perpetual devices from actually being perpetual.

 

Can I assume you are using permanent magnets? Electromagnets are not a free energy source. Even the cost of permanent magnets must be factored in to the energy output equation.

 

 

And the movement of something towards the magnet from which to get the potential in the first place will in a perfect world be equal to that taken out...

[bigOz]

bigOz, you might be too late, check, check, check it out: http://blog.sciam.com/index.php?title=get_your_free_energy_here&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

 

Thanks pal! You have just proved my point...

These guys have a great idea, but my idea is mechanically quite different based on same principles - and hopefully provide power on a much larger scale...

[bascule]

Can I assume you are using permanent magnets? Electromagnets are not a free energy source. Even the cost of permanent magnets must be factored in to the energy output equation.

 

Furthermore, using permanent magnets for generating electricity has been defunct since the mid-19th century, when it was shown that the output power of a dynamo could be substantially improved by using an electromagnet in place of a permanent magnet.

 

Of course, in that scheme, you need some rotational power source to turn the dynamo... and there's lots of "free" ways to do that... a water wheel, for example.

[woelen]

OK! Here is the answer:

You hit it right! It is not exactly but as close as you can get to perpetual motion. The potential energy the device will use is magnetic. The output will depend greatly on the efficiency of the mechanical parts involved (wheels & cogs) - hence the need for someone who knows about mechanics.

Are you producing the magnetic field by means of some electrical/electronic device and then in turn convert the magnetic energy into mechanical energy? Of course, such systems already exist in electromotors, but these consume quite some energy. You are after a kind of motor, which uses only tiny amounts of electrical energy?

 

As others pointed out, real perpetuum mobile do not exist. You have to take out the energy from somewhere. Of course, you could try to make the device such that its efficiency goes near 100%, but still it will require an external energy source.

 

Very efficient mechanical construction with low friction already are available. They are used in robotics. There are very efficient thin-oil beared wheels, I have worked with these in a mobile robot project. But why would you want to reinvent these again, while they are available already (at a cost though)?

[bigOz]

Are you producing the magnetic field by means of some electrical/electronic device and then in turn convert the magnetic energy into mechanical energy? Of course' date=' such systems already exist in electromotors, but these consume quite some energy. You are after a kind of motor, which uses only tiny amounts of electrical energy?

 

Very efficient mechanical construction with low friction already are available. They are used in robotics. There are very efficient thin-oil beared wheels, I have worked with these in a mobile robot project. But why would you want to reinvent these again, while they are available already (at a cost though)?

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Thank you for the information you disclosed. I was really happy to hear about the low friction mechanical constructions used in robotics.

 

The magnetic field need not be created using an electrical device - while electro magnets are in industrial use to create very strong magnetic fields for specific purposes, there are such things as permanent magnets which can produce enough pull-push power to overcome the "low friction" that will exist.

Starting from there, I am sure many will be hitting their heads thinking "why on earth did I not think of that one?". The secret is in the actual mechanical design of such a device...

[YT2095]

how are you going to overcome collision with gas molecules (such as air)?