herme3 Posted October 7, 2006 Posted October 7, 2006 The web site facebook.com really annoys me! I've heard that it is similar to MySpace, but it won't let me view anyone's profiles. They actually expect me to give them my information before I can even view the site. Isn't that ridiculous? I sent them an e-mail saying they should visit MySpace because they obviously have no clue on how to setup a web site.
Klaynos Posted October 7, 2006 Posted October 7, 2006 ROFL I agree with their access to account holders only stuff, as some people post stuff they don't want in the wider world, but don't mind people at their uni or hometown etc... seeing. And tbh it's FAR FAR FAR better than myspace, it's still a networking site so it still sucks. And tbh the number of accounts they have means they DO have a clue on how to "setup a website"... Although I feel that term is deeply missused here.
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted October 7, 2006 Posted October 7, 2006 The idea is that it's a network for friends, and you don't get to see anybody's profile unless you're their "friend" (i.e. they hit the right buttons). The original concept, in fact, was for groups of students at colleges (and later high schools) to join, not just everybody. Facebook is made up of many networks - individual schools, companies or regions - each of which are independent and closed off to non-affiliated users.
herme3 Posted October 7, 2006 Author Posted October 7, 2006 The idea is that it's a network for friends, and you don't get to see anybody's profile unless you're their "friend". That seems very selfish of them. They should think about people like me, who don't have any friends. So, I don't have the right to know my own classmates just because they aren't my friends?
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted October 7, 2006 Posted October 7, 2006 Frankly I don't know how the system works, except on a basic level. You may be able to simply sign up and identify yourself as a student at school X and see everybody from there, or it could be a per-user option, or I could be totally wrong. And by the way, I think their definition of "friend" is bound to be a lot looser than yours.
Klaynos Posted October 7, 2006 Posted October 7, 2006 Frankly I don't know how the system works, except on a basic level. You may be able to simply sign up and identify yourself as a student at school X and see everybody from there, or it could be a per-user option, or I could be totally wrong. And by the way, I think their definition of "friend" is bound to be a lot looser than yours. It is a combination of the two, some people let everyone who's signed up see it, others just people in their "networks" which includes things such as hometown, or college, and these can be limited on a network by network bassis, or you can do it on a user by user bassis. And herme3, does your school have any online community, I've got several people who I've met through there as my friends on facebook that I've never met or even really spoken too, it's moderatly interesting and at some point in the next few days I'll get around to sending them all a general "hello, you enjoing uni, what you studying?" message...
herme3 Posted October 7, 2006 Author Posted October 7, 2006 Frankly I don't know how the system works, except on a basic level. You may be able to simply sign up and identify yourself as a student at school X and see everybody from there, or it could be a per-user option, or I could be totally wrong. And by the way, I think their definition of "friend" is bound to be a lot looser than yours. Ok, I decided to signup under a fake name. I can see my classmates, but I can't view their profiles. I just see their name, picture, and the option to add them to my friends list. If I click on that option, it says they will have to approve me before I view their profile. Maybe they will approve me since I'm using a fake name. I will also be able to send them messages. This could me a good chance to make friends, and learn more about my classmates. I just hope nobody figures out who I really am.
Klaynos Posted October 7, 2006 Posted October 7, 2006 Ok, I decided to signup under a fake name. I can see my classmates, but I can't view their profiles. I just see their name, picture, and the option to add them to my friends list. If I click on that option, it says they will have to approve me before I view their profile. Maybe they will approve me since I'm using a fake name. I will also be able to send them messages. This could me a good chance to make friends, and learn more about my classmates. I just hope nobody figures out who I really am. Please use your real name. I'm sure most of your thoughts of them hating you is in your own head. Most people don't have the time or the energy to really care, esspecially about when adding people on websites. You never know you might meet someone amazing and really hit it off... But if they then find out you're using a fake name you WILL get hated by them.
bascule Posted October 7, 2006 Posted October 7, 2006 I sent them an e-mail saying they should visit MySpace because they obviously have no clue on how to setup a web site. Yes, a highly unstable hybrid of ColdFusion and ASP.NET is the paragon of how to set up a web site.
5614 Posted October 8, 2006 Posted October 8, 2006 They actually expect me to give them my information... I sent them an e-mailIf you sent them an email then they've now got some of the info they want! Along with your name, so now they can sell it on and send you spam! You're probably not automatically put on their database, so don't start panicbing, but still, that's what came into my mind.
ecoli Posted October 8, 2006 Posted October 8, 2006 Facebook is superior Myspace because there privacy controls are a lot better. The point of facebook is that it's exclusive. You can only sign up to their college networks if you have an email account from that uni. From your description of what your goals are on the website, it's exactly the thing they want to prevent. Why do think those cases of sexual predators are poping up on myspace?
herme3 Posted October 12, 2006 Author Posted October 12, 2006 Facebook is superior Myspace because there privacy controls are a lot better. The point of facebook is that it's exclusive. I'm normally excluded from any type of social contact in the real world. The Internet should be a place of freedom from the social isolationism of the real world. Anyone should be able to learn about and communicate with anyone else online. People should have the right to make friends online. Nobody should lock themselves in so that they can only be visible to the people they know in the real world. I hate how MySpace excludes people with their private profiles, and I also hate how Facebook excludes people from almost everyone. These sites are operated by cruel tyrants of the Internet. I think it's about time that the hermits fight back. We shouldn't be left outside to die.
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted October 12, 2006 Posted October 12, 2006 Those people whose profiles become totally public shouldn't be left out to get stalked, either.
ecoli Posted October 12, 2006 Posted October 12, 2006 The web site facebook.com really annoys me! I've heard that it is similar to MySpace, but it won't let me view anyone's profiles. They actually expect me to give them my information before I can even view the site. Isn't that ridiculous? I sent them an e-mail saying they should visit MySpace because they obviously have no clue on how to setup a web site. Yes, I'm sure Mark Zukerburg values your opinions about how to set up a website. Afterall, it's not like he's considering selling facebook to yahoo for 1 billion dollars or anything. (which is about twice what MYspace was sold for) I'm normally excluded from any type of social contact in the real world. The Internet should be a place of freedom from the social isolationism of the real world. Anyone should be able to learn about and communicate with anyone else online. People should have the right to make friends online. Nobody should lock themselves in so that they can only be visible to the people they know in the real world. I hate how MySpace excludes people with their private profiles, and I also hate how Facebook excludes people from almost everyone. These sites are operated by cruel tyrants of the Internet. I think it's about time that the hermits fight back. We shouldn't be left outside to die. So your suggesting that there should be no such thing as internet privacy on networking sites because people like you can't make friends in the real world?
herme3 Posted October 12, 2006 Author Posted October 12, 2006 So your suggesting that there should be no such thing as internet privacy on networking sites because people like you can't make friends in the real world? What exactly do you consider to be "internet privacy"? I believe there should be law enforcement to catch people who want to use the Internet to cause harm to others. People who are online predators should be caught to keep the Internet as safe as possible. However, MySpace and Facebook use exclusive friends lists. These are just online cults. There's no way to join these cults unless they allow you to. They never invite you to join and see their profiles. They just build up their cults with people they actually know in the real world. After that, they hide themselves from the outside world. You never have a chance to see their profiles online, yet you see them walking around in the real world. It's very creepy to see people daily and never have a chance to know them. Having groups of friends out in the real world just wasn't good enough for them. If they sat in a group at a lunch table, someone like me could sit down and join them. However, the cults have built "social networking" sites to suit their needs. They are not really social networking. They are ways for friends in an online cult to learn more about each other without allowing outsiders to join them. They can keep you out, and never let you try to be friends with them.
bascule Posted October 12, 2006 Posted October 12, 2006 I'm normally excluded from any type of social contact in the real world. No you're not, you just have a problem with it and no desire to get better. Nobody likes doing something they suck at, but unfortunately that's the only way to get better. GET OUT OF YOUR HOUSE AND MEET PEOPLE. I hate how MySpace excludes people with their private profiles, and I also hate how Facebook excludes people from almost everyone. These sites are operated by cruel tyrants of the Internet. I think it's about time that the hermits fight back. We shouldn't be left outside to die. That same degree of openness leads to exploitability. MySpace is a marketing platform, and it is being exploited en masse by purveyors of pornography who set up fake identities for the sole purpose of selling porn. These people are essentially spammers and have overrun MySpace to the point that it makes the extreme instability/bugginess a negligable problem in comparison.
padren Posted October 12, 2006 Posted October 12, 2006 ... Herme3, why would you want to have anything to do with contacting someone and reaching out to them online when they want their profile to be private? If you want to meet people online that think like you and share your views, every private profile is an easy red flag to skip right over that one. If they were forced public it may actually require effort to identify it would be a waste of your time to read their profile. Some people (myself included) really don't like the idea of meeting people for the sake of meeting people in some online profilacopia. I'll use the odd system to keep in touch with a few select RL friends but every strictly online friendship I've ever had has come from participating in some mutual interest, from topical forums to games to whatever. I strongly suggest participating in some RL interests - heck, take up tennis even (or a study group or a social cause or anything that interests you) and let meeting people be an incidental side effect of enjoying your life. Nice thing about meeting people that way is there is no pressure to actually get to know them but its easy if you happen to want to. Since you are digging though online profiles looking for people you'd like you should at least admit the isolation thing isn't working 100% for you and try something new. What do you have to loose afterall?
ecoli Posted October 12, 2006 Posted October 12, 2006 However, MySpace and Facebook use exclusive friends lists. These are just online cults. There's no way to join these cults unless they allow you to. They never invite you to join and see their profiles. Just because you don't want to make a real effort to join these 'cults' (and I use that word in the loosest of terms) doesn't mean they won't let you in. Find something your interested (science, whatever) and join a group about it. You'll make online friends from these discussions. I've done this with many people, so don't say it can't be done... Hell, you've already done it on SFN. The concept is the same, expcept you are encouraged to share more information about your identity. And please, would please you try some of these suggestions before whining about it again??
ParanoiA Posted October 12, 2006 Posted October 12, 2006 I'm normally excluded from any type of social contact in the real world. The Internet should be a place of freedom from the social isolationism of the real world. Anyone should be able to learn about and communicate with anyone else online. People should have the right to make friends online. Nobody should lock themselves in so that they can only be visible to the people they know in the real world. I hate how MySpace excludes people with their private profiles, and I also hate how Facebook excludes people from almost everyone. These sites are operated by cruel tyrants of the Internet. I think it's about time that the hermits fight back. We shouldn't be left outside to die. Why do you want to pal up with humans? Get a dog. Save yourself the drama and politics of human interaction.
insane_alien Posted October 12, 2006 Posted October 12, 2006 Why do you want to pal up with humans? Get a dog. Save yourself the drama and politics of human interaction. or get a friend who's a stoner. same thing but you don't need to feed him and you can occasionally have a conversation about some random thing that turns out to be quite interesting. for example are triangular sandwiches better than square sandwiches?
ParanoiA Posted October 12, 2006 Posted October 12, 2006 or get a friend who's a stoner. same thing but you don't need to feed him and you can occasionally have a conversation about some random thing that turns out to be quite interesting. for example are triangular sandwiches better than square sandwiches? Well maybe I'd make a good friend like that then, and I have my own food. Oh, and triangular sandwiches are better...
Rhino Posted October 12, 2006 Posted October 12, 2006 I'm normally excluded from any type of social contact in the real world. The Internet should be a place of freedom from the social isolationism of the real world. Anyone should be able to learn about and communicate with anyone else online. People should have the right to make friends online. Nobody should lock themselves in so that they can only be visible to the people they know in the real world. This is brilliant. You're that guy who shows up uninvited, is the last one to leave, and talks to people about things no one wants to hear about for far too long. Since that doesn't work for you in real life. Now you want to do it on the internet. Don't complain because they figured out how to keep you out. They are doing it to protect your hermit status. I hate how MySpace excludes people with their private profiles, and I also hate how Facebook excludes people from almost everyone. These sites are operated by cruel tyrants of the Internet. I think it's about time that the hermits fight back. We shouldn't be left outside to die. Al Gore didn't invent the internet so you could spend all day gawking at people's profiles. Real hermits would use the internet for pr0n, music, and movies. Unless you are of course a spiced molasses cookie often containing raisins or nuts. The thing I think is the coolest about this whole gripe of your's is the fact that there is absolutely nothing in your public profile. So by the rights you think everyone should have on the internet I am now your friend. I am communicating with you, and I learned about you by looking up hermit on dictionary.com.
ecoli Posted October 12, 2006 Posted October 12, 2006 or get a friend who's a stoner. same thing but you don't need to feed him and you can occasionally have a conversation about some random thing that turns out to be quite interesting. for example are triangular sandwiches better than square sandwiches? genuis, alien!
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