Animal Abuse Synchronized With Movies

[Zimed]

Greetings,

 

Recently I have viewed several proportionally small clips, from a rather large movie entitled "Jackass 2". Upon watching these clips I realized that the ethics were going far, and unfairly out of bounds for the native animals. Animals, just like human beings have rights, and they need to be stood up for. The acts I will list below are just a few, because I would never demean myself enough to rent or buy this movie. My friend showed me these clips upon http://www.youtube.com.

 

 

There is a scene which shows, and depicts a man commiting the masturbation of a male horse (by the man), until the point of ejaculation, which is put into a cup and drank by a human. Afterwards, there is taunting and laughing at the horse.

 

The next scene occurs, when a man fully erects his sexual gland, and puts his penis into a "sock-like-puppet". This puppet has eyes, a nose and a smile for a mouth. The "crew" or who ever cut a circular hole in a singular glass snake habitat/cage. The man inserts his fully erect gland in a sock puppet, into the snake’s home, where it lives, and begins to harass it. He moves it from side to side, then up and down, until the snake comes over out of curiosity, and begins interacting. After a befuddled few moments, the snake perceives this "thing" as a rabbit, or white rat, and consequently bites the sock covered penis.

 

I can't see how humans come up with ideas like this, without rethinking, or questioning their conscience. Just why? These animals roamed this earth before humans even existed, and here humans are messing with there lives, caging them, taking away the pride as an animal, and the freedom. Cruelty. How is this allowed, what are the ethics, for movies like this? What can I do about these actions, and the director/producer/people that participated in it?

 

 

Thank you for reading, animals are very cherished to me...and should be to you, they are an important part of the world, and an important part to humans.

[Phi for All]

I don't watch any shows that celebrates idiocy (except a little C-Span now and then). I've never seen the show and I wouldn't watch the movies. I've seen enough stupid human tricks on You-tube and Ebaum's World to know there's a whole bunch of dumb out there. I worry about a future populated by people who are willing to completely suspend brain functions for a laugh or a buck.

 

You do know that "Jackass" is a euphemism for "complete and utter idiot"? It has nothing to do with horses usually. I wonder if the SPCA has investigated this movie.

[Cap'n Refsmmat]

Natural selection will eventually take over, don't worry about it.

[Zimed]

Yes, natural selection always comes to mind when I see animals fighting, because that is the natural way the animal (which ever one loses it's life) should die. Some people say the same thing about hunting, "Ahh, natural selection will just take over sooner or later."

 

The difference is, human interference, and the detraction from those animal's lives.

 

These people, not only commited the actions, but they filmed, published and made millions of dollars out of them. Did the animal get a paycheck, or a reciprocation, adequate to what the other people performed? These animals were brought into these stunts without knowing so. Natural selection theory does not apply here. Indeed, eventually the horse and the snake will lose their lives, however it should be from natural.

 

 

Saying it doesn't matter does not help. Just saying to someone, "It was just two animals, it means nothing." Animals can not stand up for themselves, verbally, they can not morally, and are frequently taken advantage of, and abused. This situation is unorthadox.

[Royston]

Well, lets put this in perspective...

 

There is a scene which shows, and depicts a man commiting the masturbation of a male horse (by the man), until the point of ejaculation, which is put into a cup and drank by a human. Afterwards, there is taunting and laughing at the horse.

 

So the horse is so distressed by this experience it ejaculates...it's not really suffering. Remember the horse isn't aware of being exploited, and by the very act of drinking it's semen, the guy is actually exploiting himself...as a jack ass, but that's ok I presume. There are many levels of exploitation, providing the animal isn't aware, and is not experiencing any suffering, I fail to see the problem.

 

If you're watching a nature programme, and a peguin slips on the ice, and there's a comical oboe sound, is the animal being exploited for entertainment ? Well yes...does it care, of course not.

 

The next scene occurs, when a man fully erects his sexual gland, and puts his penis into a "sock-like-puppet". This puppet has eyes, a nose and a smile for a mouth. The "crew" or who ever cut a circular hole in a singular glass snake habitat/cage. The man inserts his fully erect gland in a sock puppet, into the snake’s home, where it lives, and begins to harass it. He moves it from side to side, then up and down, until the snake comes over out of curiosity, and begins interacting. After a befuddled few moments, the snake perceives this "thing" as a rabbit, or white rat, and consequently bites the sock covered penis.

 

Ok, so the snake is fooled into thinking the sock puppet is a mouse, and bites...again where's the suffering, and how does the snake realize it's being exploited. As before, there are many levels of exploitation, if a bear is kept in captivity, and is raised solely for the purpose of entertaining, then that clearly has more moral repurcussions, than finding mild amusement that a bear has dropped a fish for example (I know that's not particularly amusing...just an example.) You're still finding entertainment from the bear, so in that sense it's exploited.

 

I can't see how humans come up with ideas like this, without rethinking, or questioning their conscience. Just why? These animals roamed this earth before humans even existed, and here humans are messing with there lives, caging them, taking away the pride as an animal, and the freedom. Cruelty. How is this allowed, what are the ethics, for movies like this? What can I do about these actions, and the director/producer/people that participated in it?

 

Write a letter, which you'll probably get a response such as...the animal was not put in any distress, and was rewarded accordingly after participating in the scene, et.c and so forth.

 

Thank you for reading, animals are very cherished to me...and should be to you, they are an important part of the world, and an important part to humans.

 

Same here, but the examples above are a far cry from a bear forced to dance on hot plates. You seem to have a rather black and white view of exploitation, try and think if any sufferring is caused to the animal, and if (but highly unlikely) it's aware of being exploited. Humans are exploited all the time, in the name of entertainment, but like I said this covers an entire spectrum from mild, to sickening.

[Zimed]

What does it matter if they are aware of 'exploitation'?

 

They are still distinctly aware of an odd entity intruding within there habitat/area, such as with the snake.

 

The snake, or horse may be unaware people are doing this, distinctly for currency but they are aware an oddity is occuring on their being/living.

 

The last thing is, it does not matter if the animals know they are being taken advantage of, because they do not have the same reasoning, logic, or brain development that Homo sapiens have. Homo sapiens have the ability and responsibility to think for animals, and commit actions which are in their best interest. That is our responsibility as human beings.

[Mokele]

What does it matter if they are aware of 'exploitation'?

 

If they aren't being harmed, why does what we do with videos or them matter? It doesn't impact the animal's health or well-being.

 

 

As a note from a herpetological POV, the snake in question is an Amazon Tree Boa. This is pertinent for two reasons:

1) ATBs are nasty little bastards. Enticing an ATB to bite is about as hard as getting a bowling ball to obey gravity. I've got 4 in lab, and getting them to do anything *except* bite you is the hard part.

2) ATBs have an *extremely* strong feeding response to two things: heat and movement. They will instinctually attack anything warm and moving as food, be it a bird, my hand, or some moron's penis.

 

From what I saw, the snake wasn't being harassed or upset any more than they get when I clean their cages - they're just mean little snakes. Pretty much all arboreal snakes are, especially arboreal boas and pythons.

 

Mokele

[jackson33]

i am going to questions this thread on my understanding of what it takes to extract male horse sperm for artificial insemination. the process was well laid out recently with the death of the Kentucky Derby, hopefull, when killed. in short it requires setting up the idea the horse is in the female and on his hind legs. its complicated and not often successful. what is displayed on bestiality sites, are not factual and i presume this is from one of those.

 

i also have to wonder just what harm is involved in what we accept as pleasurable events, to an animal. its not my cup of tea, but i kind of think the animal may be grateful, opposed to feeling "taunted and humiliated" by man...

[Zimed]

An animal can be hurt mentally, just as humans can, and just because you see no physical injuries does not mean there are not any. The animal could be expressing pain in ways that humans can not understand. People, rely and use the fact that “They are not hurt” to use as padding on this issue. How do you really know? To do these stunts and set things up, do you really know? Just because in neither of the videos does a man pull out a machine gun, and shoot down the animals, doesn’t mean the animals were not harmed. Intrusion into natural long living, fulfilling, successful animals. Here, we humans try to make a travesty out of how animals look, and shame it. Although you think the animal is not aware of it’s shaming does not mean it is not. Publishing things like this is travesty, and then in turn gives others ideas for completing stunts with animals in them.

[Mokele]

The animal could be expressing pain in ways that humans can not understand.

 

Yes, but in one case (the horse), the result is obviously pleasurable to the animal (since someone drinks the evidence of that pleasure), and in the case of the snake, I can tell you the animal wasn't in pain and was no more alarmed or distressed than is usual in interactions with humans for that particularly high-strung species (body language is quite different between pain and feeding in snakes).

 

Mokele

[jackson33]

An animal can be hurt mentally, just as humans can, and just because you see no physical injuries does not mean there are not any. The animal could be expressing pain in ways that humans can not understand. People, rely and use the fact that “They are not hurt” to use as padding on this issue. How do you really know? To do these stunts and set things up, do you really know? Just because in neither of the videos does a man pull out a machine gun, and shoot down the animals, doesn’t mean the animals were not harmed. Intrusion into natural long living, fulfilling, successful animals. Here, we humans try to make a travesty out of how animals look, and shame it. Although you think the animal is not aware of it’s shaming does not mean it is not. Publishing things like this is travesty, and then in turn gives others ideas for completing stunts with animals in them.

 

i think your problem is bestiality, itself and for personal profits. this i would agree is a little overboard, distasteful and by the way illegal in most of the US. we have movies that play in theaters, on TV or available in any CD rental places, depicting all kinds of terrible acts, including acts done on people. these are, i hope, actors playing roles to entertain some portion of the public.

i am told porn in dollar value rates number one followed by horror and some place down the road my favorite, the Western. the least violent to anything or person on these portrayals are the porn. no one gets killed, mutilated or disfigured from acids. remembering they are all harmless to the actors.

 

in reiterating; i suggest you give your knowledge on horse sperm extraction to the veterinarians in Kentucky. the very expensive process is rarely performed and the natural process the most used.

[Zimed]

Regardless, of whether or not the animals got hurt or not, one thing still remains in extreme force.

 

These events weren't meant to strike other animals/these animals. Humans need to use what they have to create a movie. A horse was never, ever in the entire world masturbated by someone else, until the evolution of man into Homo sapien. Throughout all of those countless years, it never happened, and was left alone. But then, when humans exist, you see them going into animals lives and doing things that affect them, in the case of Jackass, I will say negative. The horse being masturbated was not meant to happen ever, it is supposed to be Horse-Horse, not Horse-Man. It is just the way things are. Even though he did not make any sort of penetration, he caused, and created the orgasm, and as a result the sperm.

 

The Jackass movie clearly crosses over into beastiality which, in itself is illegal, yet they got away with all of it.

 

The ejaculate could be actually enpregnating a horse (it's purpose), but instead it went into some guy's digestive tract...disrupting the natural balance of animal life.

[Royston]

Regardless, of whether or not the animals got hurt or not, one thing still remains in extreme force.

 

Ok...

 

These events weren't meant to strike other animals/these animals. Humans need to use what they have to create a movie. A horse was never, ever in the entire world masturbated by someone else, until the evolution of man into Homo sapien.

 

So, what's the problem, the horse was, and was no worse for it.

 

Throughout all of those countless years, it never happened, and was left alone. But then, when humans exist, you see them going into animals lives and doing things that affect them, in the case of Jackass, I will say negative.

 

But what's the argument to say it's negative, the horse enjoyed the experience, if you had other examples, then I may agree with you.

 

The horse being masturbated was not meant to happen ever, it is supposed to be Horse-Horse, not Horse-Man. It is just the way things are. Even though he did not make any sort of penetration, he caused, and created the orgasm, and as a result the sperm.

 

It's harmless entertainment (if that rocks your boat) sperm samples are taken all the time, the animal doesn't show the least bit resistance, so using this example doesn't cut it I'm afraid.

 

The Jackass movie clearly crosses over into beastiality which, in itself is illegal, yet they got away with all of it.

 

Depends where you're from, and masturbation of another animal doesn't actually class as beastiality in some instances, this not being one of them, I don't think I need to spell it out.

 

The ejaculate could be actually enpregnating a horse (it's purpose), but instead it went into some guy's digestive tract...disrupting the natural balance of animal life.

 

And...your point ? Why do you assume, that nature is 'supposed' to do anything ? If you had any grasp of natural selection, which is a comment you brought up earlier, then where's the purpose ? Again, if the animal wasn't subjected to any harm, there is no problem. The horse enjoyed the experience, probably had a sugar cube, and went on it's merry way.

 

EDIT: I understand where you're coming from, but it's very faulty reasoning. You can't attack a media strategy that exploits animals when there is no harm caused to them, as much as you can't attack a media strategy that exploits humans with no repercussions or humiliation. The effect on the animal is actually a positive, and using the 'well it's just not natural' argument is very faulty logic.