Dims Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 Hi! What is the speed of electric flow? I mean not a speed of electron drift, but a speed of spreading of electric perturbation over normal metallic wire? Can you explain prove your answer or give some links to experimental data? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPL.Luke Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 if you mean how fast elecrons become aware that there is a voltage present in the wire, then that would be the speed of light in the medium (as this is the speed at which electric fields change) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dims Posted March 19, 2007 Author Share Posted March 19, 2007 But what is the speed of light in copper? I mean the following. Let us have short circuited copper wire 1 meter length. Then we induce some current at first place of that wire. After what time the current (in ampers) at other edge will be at least 2/3 of that at another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaynos Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 But what is the speed of light in copper? I mean the following. Let us have short circuited copper wire 1 meter length. Then we induce some current at first place of that wire. After what time the current (in ampers) at other edge will be at least 2/3 of that at another? The speed of light in that material. And I'm pretty sure that Iin will = Iout, or there abouts as the resistance is quite low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dims Posted March 19, 2007 Author Share Posted March 19, 2007 So what is the speed of light in copper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaynos Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permittivity#Permittivity_in_media [math]\epsilon \mu = \frac {1}{v^2}[/math] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 The index, and thus propagation speed, depends on the wavelength (and frequency). For copper, the generally quoted value is about 225,000 km/s, or often rounded to 2/3 c, for RF, which probably also applies to electric current flow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psynapse Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Nvm re-read, not drift velocity :0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dims Posted March 20, 2007 Author Share Posted March 20, 2007 For copper, the generally quoted value is about 225,000 km/s, or often rounded to 2/3 c Is it possible to calculate this value somehow? Does inductance play role here? Or is it just measured directly? Can one read the setup of experiment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaynos Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Is it possible to calculate this value somehow? Does inductance play role here? Or is it just measured directly? Can one read the setup of experiment? If you know the permativity and permiability of the material you can apply the equation I gave above where v is the phase velocity of light in a meduim. If you put in epsilon 0 and mu 0 you get out c. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dims Posted March 20, 2007 Author Share Posted March 20, 2007 How can I get c? It will be infinity in that formula. And what is permittivity applying to a metal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaynos Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 How can I get c? It will be infinity in that formula. And what is permittivity applying to a metal? No it wont. [math] \epsilon \mu = \frac {1}{v^2} [/math] [math] \sqrt {\frac {1}{\epsilon \mu}} = v [/math] [math] \sqrt {\frac {1}{\epsilon_0 \mu_0}} = c [/math] [math] \sqrt {\frac {1}{8.854 * 10^-12 * 4 \pi *10^-7}} = c [/math] Finding epsilon and mu for a metal can be done. I can't remember how, a quick google should tell you though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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