Black Holes as a Factory

[foodchain]

Ok, if not even light can escape a black hole, then can any movement exist in a black hole? I mean if light cant escape a black hole and itself is crushed into an infinitely small point, would it be possible that such could become matter? For that matter, would it even be possible for a black hole to exist as matter? I don’t see how any bond strength could survive such, or for that matter how the strong force could persist. WTF are black holes!

[Klaynos]

The singularity of a black hole is not fully understood as far as I know. But before that the gravitational gradient is big enough to rip bonds appart. But There is no requirement as far as I know for this gradient to be particularly close to the event horizon, so yes there can be movement inside a black hole's event horizon.

[foodchain]

The singularity of a black hole is not fully understood as far as I know. But before that the gravitational gradient is big enough to rip bonds appart. But There is no requirement as far as I know for this gradient to be particularly close to the event horizon, so yes there can be movement inside a black hole's event horizon.

 

Right, but if gravity is so strong, in the idea of a singularity and light not being able to obtain an escpae velocity to accelerate or simply move away from a black hole, I don’t understand how you could have movement. As for the event horizon, then such is a membrane of sorts I guess to a black hole, or an intial field that increase with strength away from the singularity? I mean everything a black hole conumes, can anything ever leave it, what about a black hole in some binary system with another star, or how could that be from a nova even, I mean would not the nebula be distorted in facts of producing bodies such as a star? Or was the star actually drawn into the black holes gravity?

 

Plus, when a black hole forms, typically the idea is from a massive body right, like a red giant going super nova I think. Though the collection of stars or types I am sure is much more broad. I mean at what point does the black hole form, and how could the super nova take place really. If such to me then, a black hole might exist within the red giant for a period of time possibly, as some implosion rather then explosion, or the core of the star maybe. I mean photons in the star as it was going nova would be pulled towards the black hole right? If the black hole came about during a certain point in the process of collapse or during a super nova of a massive star. Though I know that matter cannot occupy the same space at the same time right? So how does the composition of a black hole work, I cant see matter existing in a black hole, or for that matter much anything really. To me a see some sort of gradient really of spacetime, or that I doubt you could get matter such as a carbon atom to reach c. Could a black hole produce c on its own in terms of gravitation pull towards the singularity? What point in space around a black hole does an event horizon exist even? The only way I can think of judging such would be some pole of matter, very very long actually that would arrange based on forces, or arrange molecularly based on forces at play, some million mile stick to check oil for instance.

 

As more on my thread, I just think if the original singularity existed right, that gave way to the big bang if such was a singularity at first, and you could have movement that differentation might have been occurring in that for instance, and where would all the energy from even friction go, it could not escape. Would it collapse into something, or would the energy eventually cause some sort of meltdown if a certain tolerance was broken or achieved.

[Klaynos]

I don't have the time to respond this evening.

 

But there's nothing to stop US being inside the event horizen of a black hole. It'd just have to be a VERY big one.

 

I think in a binary system, it's not possible for 2 starts to form where one would be massive enough to form a black hole. But as long as their orbit is greater than the event horizen, which I think is possible, not 100% sure though but then again it doesn't matter as the first bit stops the idea from working, then the binary orbits would continue.

[Spyman]

Some links you might find interesting to read:

 

Wikipedia "Black Hole" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole

 

Wikipedia "Event horizon" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_horizon