The superiority of Communism

[Stalinism]

Comrades! I come to you to inform you about the truth about communism. Now then, up to this point you got a rather one sided, and totally biased view purpotrated by those slimy capitalist pigs.

 

All your life, you have been brainwashed into serving your corporate masters, of which all they do is exploit the masses in order to make a buck. Under Communism, this doesn't happen. In a communist society, the workers would own the means of production, and they wouldn't have to answer to any capitalist whore. You see, what these capitalist pigs don't understand is that the workers will inevitably rise up against them and overthrow their oppressive establishment. It is all natural evolution. Feudalism gave way to capitalism, and capitalism will inevitably give way to socialism, and finally communism. This can only be accomplished through violent resurrection though.

 

Remember all the crimes that those dirty capitalists did. Capitalism is the sole reason for World War I, the Great Depression, World War II, the collapse of the Soviet Union, and all the environmental destruction upon the Earth. Are you willing to support these robber barons any longer?

 

It is time that we work for a better future for all. We must rise up and overthrow our oppressors and take back what is ours. The time for revolution has long since past.

 

Workers Unite! All you have to lose are your chains!

[Realitycheck]

What will happen to competition? We will slide into monotony, where all aspects of our life will deteriorate in quality, and people will get bored and want something better and cause smuggling networks to be created to buy things from other countries in a black market. However, only the elite will have trade-able commodities to exchange for these products, creating a tier of corruption in the higher circles of society.

 

Also, if history can be used as a lesson, China is one of the dirtiest countries on the planet. There is no guarantee that communists are any more responsible than anybody else, capitalists included.

[Saryctos]

Workers Unite! All you have to lose are your chains!

 

And your wages

[Sisyphus]

Troooooooool!

 

:::Grabs pitchfork:::

[Stalinism]

What will happen to competition? We will slide into monotony, where all aspects of our life will deteriorate in quality, and people will get bored and want something better and cause smuggling networks to be created to buy things from other countries in a black market. However, only the elite will have trade-able commodities to exchange for these products, creating a tier of corruption in the higher circles of society.

 

Also, if history can be used as a lesson, China is one of the dirtiest countries on the planet. There is no guarantee that communists are any more responsible than anybody else, capitalists included.

 

OMG!!! the brainwashing is much worse than I suspected! Yeesh! Luckily, you have someone here who has seen the light.

 

Which competition are you talking about, because if you mean this so-called market competition well then that is yet another ploy used by the super-rich to maintain power, along with religion. In case you haven't noticed, there is no stinken competition. They make it appear that there is one but in reality the capitalists maintain this illusion so that they can exploit the masses and horde in lots of money. For example, in the Business journals you will find that most corporate owners are all linked in someway to the US government, if you bother to look deep enough.

 

Under communism, there will be economic equity because all the modes of production will be owned by the common classes and workers, instead of in the hands of those capitalist scoundrels. Or more specifically, "In communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic." -- Karl Marx.

 

Those bad things happen because all of the societies weren't true communism. Since the time after Stalin's death (the only real communist leader), many have made "reforms" that directly contradicted the revolutionary ideals! If you look at history very carefully, communism allowed the nations who truly adopted it, if only for a time, to rise to the ranks of a super-power along with an enormous rise in living standards. China and the Soviet Union are case examples. And why is that? Because Communism not only allowed equity, which stamped out corruption that is otherwise common in capitalism, but also it was much more efficient as well. There were no bickering corporate leaders fighting among themselves, and society did not have to yield to private interests to get stuff done.

 

The Soviets collapsed because Gorbachev was way too soft and allowed the dirty capitalists to corrupt it. Nowadays you see the streets of Russia stampeded by organized crime networks.

 

China is a corrupt country nowadays because Deng Xiopeng decided to drop communism all together in favor of capitalism. While there is still one party rule, they yield to private interests such as those corporate leaders overseas. Under Mao Zedong China was much better off.

[Sisyphus]

:::jabs with pitchfork:::

[ecoli]

Yes, a leader who resorted to force starvation, which killed millions of his own people, definitely had a successful government. [/sarcasm]

 

Stalin killed ~20 million of his own people for his communist ideals. That doesn't like much enforcement policy, or a good rewards system based on hard work.

[Dak]

What will happen to competition?

 

indeed. imo, the only reason that the USSR continued to inovate was competition with the US. an interesting question is: would the USSR still have innovated out of competition with the US if the US was also a communism?

 

instead of competition, you could maybe rely on people's genuine desire to improve their situation/country.

 

it works on a small scale. i suppose you could call linux a good example of a small-scale thingy that is continually innovated and improved soley by peoples desire for it to get better (i.e., completely a-capitalistically), but i doubt you could do that on a country-wide scale (would be nice if you could tho)

 

In case you haven't noticed, there is no stinken competition.

 

orly? so, tesco's and safeways aren't clamoring over one-another to persuade me to shop at their place, rather than at the other's?

 

you can tell that there is competition because, whenever there isn't, the problems are pretty damn evident (in a capitalism at any rate); monopolies, cartels, and so on all tend to be marked by expensiveness and a lack of innovation (which, btw, is what people fear a communism would be like, due to lack of competition).

 

 

 

Under communism, there will be economic equity because all the modes of production will be owned by the common classes and workers, instead of in the hands of those capitalist scoundrels. Or more specifically, "In communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic." -- Karl Marx.

 

hmm... wouldn't specialisation be more efficient? this 'do what you feel like' modus operandi seems somewhat erratic -- what if, at one point, no one feels like working in a given factory? does that factory cease production? what do you do with all the fish if too many people feel like fishing?

 

The Soviets collapsed because Gorbachev was way too soft and allowed the dirty capitalists to corrupt it. Nowadays you see the streets of Russia stampeded by organized crime networks.

 

so, iow, the USSR (communist) lost to the USA (capitalists), which is somehow an argument in favour of communism?

 

I'm aware that the collapse of the USSR shouldn't be held against communism for a variety of factors, but i'm not sure how it is supposed to count in it's favour?

 

China is a corrupt country nowadays because Deng Xiopeng decided to drop communism all together in favor of capitalism. While there is still one party rule, they yield to private interests such as those corporate leaders overseas. Under Mao Zedong China was much better off.

 

china is slowly improving as far as human rights goes. also, they're not a capitalism, but a mixed communist-capitalist economy.

 

as for 1 party states, that's not a requirement of communism, any more than multi-party states are a requirement of capitalism.

[CPL.Luke]

the problem with your thinking is that you are only looking at the soviet union and china's personas in reality things were far worse than they appeared.

 

for instance the Soviet Union's GDP was only about a fourteenth of the US's and yet they maintained a military that was supposed to be on par with America's? they spent somewhere between 15 and 30 percent of their GDP on defense, and even then they couldn't afford to properly train soldiers, (in the age of smart bombs and missles many soldiers weren't even allowed to fire a missle in training as it was to expensive) the goal of all this was to match the US in percieved military power, by purchasing enormous amounts of hardware, and then neglecting it. If you look at soviet erra cars you can also see how cheaply they were made.

 

As for China, ever since they opened their doors to the west their standard of living has been rising, in fact their economy is set to surpass that of the USA by 2020 in terms of purchasing power., clearly capatilism benefited their country.

[ecoli]

As for China, ever since they opened their doors to the west their standard of living has been rising, in fact their economy is set to surpass that of the USA by 2020 in terms of purchasing power.,

 

Isn't this causing a lot of social stratification and poverty in China, though?

[CPL.Luke]

meh, while the gap between rich and poor has grown considerably since they allowed foreign investment. there are certainly alot more rich people than there were in the communist days, and the poor have alot more now than they did then.

[Pangloss]

China doesn't have communism, at least not of the variety being discussed here. Their economic success is based on direct repudiation of communist ideals, and the direct result of that repudiation is the largest middle class on the planet. Hardly an example of communistic success! (chuckle)

[someguy]

communism is a bad idea I think, the ideas it was based on were good. Marx observed capitalism well, it's a little outdated now but still. His socialism is not defined but whatever that is is probably good. giving up having some ultra rich taking advantage of the ultra poor i think is a good thing. economic equality i believe is a good thing. but achieving that is the key and communism not quite good enough. but there is a way. You would need to completely change how governments work and are constructed. I've been to china and I've been to Cuba and what communism is supposed to be these places are not. But they are still called communist countries. China felt to me like the most capitalist place I'd ever been.