Time dilation observation.

[pioneer]

Here is an observation that appears to indicate time dilation. As a little background if we turned water or H2O into a plasma, the life expectancy of the parts remains essentially the same as the sum of the parts. One could take away energy and H2O will reform, all the parts are conserved.

 

On the other hand, if we took at proton and broke it into its parts, the parts last much less time outside proton, than they would if we left the proton intact. The question is, are the innards of a proton in a state of time dilation within the proton? If we break it open to expose it parts, these same parts last the same time in any reference. But since the earth reference is much slower, there is less time dilation such that their clocks only appear to last for the briefest instant within our reference.

 

There is no life expectancy change in the water/parts example. But the relative life expectancy is very drastic in the case of a proton. If, for the sake or argument, we were to assume this time dilation premise, for something to show that much time dilation (long life of proton versus the life of its exposed parts), the calculations would imply that the parts in the stable proton, would need to be just a tiny speck below C. Or the innards would have to be something that is almost pure energy but not energy in the strict sense, since energy needs to travel at exactly C. That sort of adds up to matter being condensed energy. With C- and C being so close, mass/energy interchange should be easier, since only a tiny bump would be needed to move back and forth. This could explain why the interconversion of mass/energy/mass occurs very easily.

 

I am not trying to upset the cart. Only this seems to add up easier, without having to bring anything new in, outside basic SR considerations.

[Reaper]

Here is an observation that appears to indicate time dilation. As a little background if we turned water or H2O into a plasma, the life expectancy of the parts remains essentially the same as the sum of the parts. One could take away energy and H2O will reform, all the parts are conserved.

 

On the other hand, if we took at proton and broke it into its parts, the parts last much less time outside proton, than they would if we left the proton intact. The question is, are the innards of a proton in a state of time dilation within the proton? If we break it open to expose it parts, these same parts last the same time in any reference. But since the earth reference is much slower, there is less time dilation such that their clocks only appear to last for the briefest instant within our reference.

 

There is no life expectancy change in the water/parts example. But the relative life expectancy is very drastic in the case of a proton. If, for the sake or argument, we were to assume this time dilation premise, for something to show that much time dilation (long life of proton versus the life of its exposed parts), the calculations would imply that the parts in the stable proton, would need to be just a tiny speck below C. Or the innards would have to be something that is almost pure energy but not energy in the strict sense, since energy needs to travel at exactly C. That sort of adds up to matter being condensed energy. With C- and C being so close, mass/energy interchange should be easier, since only a tiny bump would be needed to move back and forth. This could explain why the interconversion of mass/energy/mass occurs very easily.

 

I am not trying to upset the cart. Only this seems to add up easier, without having to bring anything new in, outside basic SR considerations.

 

 

Time dilation has been observed in subatomic particles when they have been accelerated to near light speeds. The Muon Experiments are a well known example.

 

Also, we have not been able to pull quarks apart yet. It is a very difficult task.

[pioneer]

I recognize that subparticles have been given time dilation by velocity. But inspite of that, it is not enough to make them last as long as they do inside a proton. One may argue that within the proton, the innards are in a type of balanced equilibrium. When one aspect begins to fade, it gives off energy that pumps up something else. When this begins to fade it releases energy back to build up the first thing, etc. But still, how does the shell prevent leaks? Actually it does leak, resulting in the various force fields that come from the particles. Why doesn't this bleed off of internal energy cause the subparticles to undergo transitions? I guess it does. For example, when nuke force cause fusion, some innards come out.

 

An interesting observation about the EM and gravity forces fields is that both can act at very long distances. It is almost like the innards can see to infinity. Or in their reference, distance is so contracted that they can interact because everything seems to be much closer. This is consistent with distance references overlapping to where the innards can share. The reference needed for the extreme time dilation would fit the bill.

 

With gravity being modelled as GR, then innard interactions via gravity would amount to conservation of relativity with the SR associated with the time dilation losing potential with the result GR relativity increases.

[swansont]

EM forces act over infinitely long ranges because the exchange particle is massless and this is why the proposed gravitational exchange particle is massless.

 

I can't parse anything else in that post.

[pioneer]

There is no way to prove the innards of protons are time dilated, although using this assumption, many things adds up in a simple way. One possible explanation for the perpetual extreme time dilation is connected to the unified force. For simplicity, the BB model assumes unified force at the very beginning when things were very extreme. As things cooled, the other forces begin to become more differentiated. To make this theory work, the innards would still have to be integrated by unified force. The unified force was only in affect (unified) in the BB model when space-time was extreme. Using the time dilation assumption, that would make protons little artifacts of that time, which they sort of are. Outside the time dilated reference needed for the unified force, the conditions change, and unified force appears to us as the four forces.

 

The unified force inside, maintaining time dilation, is like a white light. As it shine into less time dilated references it goes through a prism of sorts that break the white light (so to speak) into its four colors. When we bust apart a proton and disrupt the unified force, since the unified force is not stable in this lower reference, we get only the prism colors. The result are the innard parts just can't remain stable with prism forces alone. Their life expectancy is no longer based on the unified force, but prism forces.