Chiropractors?

[Chiroguy]

Harvard of chiropractic schools.

 

That's an oxymoron if I ever heard one.

When I went to NYCC the passing grade was 76%, but that is all relevant as copies of tests were available at the "Copy shop" a store in town that catered to NYCC students.

They sold copies of tests and notes. Cheating was also rampant.

[Chiroguy]

No chiropractic education/school is science based as it is based on th subluxation which has not been scientifically proven.

There is not nor ever has been any scientific basis for chiropractic. If anyone can site any scientific journal that gives concrete proof how chiropractic works, please do so..... you will make 60,000 or so quacks happy.

[Guest Vinman]

NOT recommend a beta-2 blocker for heart failure if the patient had a history of smoking....

 

Beta blockers are for hypertension and not heart failure' date=' also contraindicated for anyone with COPD. Ever hear of Natracor???[/quote']

 

Chiroguy - you need to realize that I am a licensed Respiratory Therapist.... what happens when people go into Heart Failure? Their heart can't keep up with the flow/preload pressures of blood... hence everything backs up... hence HYPERTENSION. You should learn the PROCESS OF DISEASE and not the symptoms (ie: indications/contraindications...) listed in a drug book. People with CHF (chronic heart failure) ALWAYS have (relative) hypertension ... and the way to treat it is to:

 

1- remove fluid through diuretics - LASIX ( lowers BP)

 

or 2) lower their BP without removing fluid so their heart isn't distressed (subject to an MI)- hence Beta 2 blockers, ACE inhibitors and so on.

 

3) it can also be managed with chronotropes and inotropes which regulate HR and strength of contractions....(DIGOXIN)

 

Don't ever question my knowledge of cardio-pulmonary mechanics. I speak from my years of experience in the ICU - specializing in Neonatal ICU, and not from a chiropractic student. I regularly teach MDs on the BASICS of mechanical ventilation and it's effects on the body. I was so surprised as to how the so-called ELITE MDs knew very little about life-support... where every so often I say - "look Ill write the orders and you just sign it" cause they are clueless - and go into general practice.

 

Later

[Guest Vinman]

I would match my knowledge (post graduation) against that of any MD' date=' for any illness, and the right modality to treat the disease with

 

You are so far gone. MD's get all the anatomy you do, but in two semesters, not three tri-mesters. They rotate through all medical feilds, they complete 1 year of internship, and 2+ years of residency.... You will graduate never seeing anyone with an acute MI, hemmoragic bleed, no skin disorders, etc., etc., etc., [/quote']

 

Correction - I HAVE seen acute MI's, I have seen countless head traumas and scalpings, I have seen peeps get hit by a train and live with missing limbs. I have bagged people while a surgeon is physically pumping the heart with his hands. I have been covered in blood from a severed Pulmonary Artery from a car accident. I have seen infants with a 54 cm head circumference from hydrocephalus. I have rescusitated an infant born from a triplet C-section at 29 weeks gestation.....

 

I have a long history of experience prior to Chiropractic school. And that invaluable knowledge, PLUS the anatomy from chiroschool..... I will gladly play Jeopardy for Doctor's and give em a run for their money. I said I'd match MY knowledge, not YOUR knowledge. I'm sorry you didn't learn enough. With 100 G on the line - I would have been a little more aggressive with my education.

 

[Chiroguy]

what happens when people go into Heart Failure? Their heart can't keep up with the flow/preload pressures of blood... hence everything backs up... hence HYPERTENSION. :

 

I couldn't make a blanket statement like that.. Beta blockers are indicated in an acute situation if there is htn and tachycardia, +TropI's, on non-Q wave EKG changes, but a nitride is a better choice since it increase renal bloodflow, I am a firm non-believer in cookbook medicine as with CHF the underlying cause needs to be identified and controlled. Is it renal induced, Na+, Diet induced or is it cardiomyopathic akenisis of the Left Ventricle. Best left to be pondered by cardiologists.

[RICHARDBATTY]

Does any one know of anything that helps with back problems caused by the nerve branch in the center of the back around the bottom rib area. I have problems from the past when driving an Avensis too far for too long too often. I still have problems now even with a better seat. Could exercises make the area stronger ( my own muscles shreaded my back when it was bad though )?

[Hellbender]

I voted "Duh, no!!!". While I see I chiroprachter myself when I want my back re-aligned or just cracked (I have scholiosis), my chiropracter never claims it will do anything but make your back feel better, which it does. I was surprised to learn that some quacks actually claim it cures diseases by correcting "subluxations" and allowing nerve signals to properly travel to the spine. I fail to see any evidence for subluxations (whatever they are defined as) or the fact that every disease is caused by them.

[Guest nakedape]

I'll throw my two cents in. Having experienced the unsuccessful treatment of both chiropractors and ortheopathic physicians, I have my doubts. The chiropractic treatment, which was my first choice, seemed to cause an increase in pain, and reducion of mobility. The specialist, after drugs and therapy failed, was suggesting surgery, which was out of the question. A friend of mine had me try his inversion table and after just ONE 30 minute session, and leaving his home feeling it was a waste of time, I woke up feeling better than I had in 4 months. I purchased a table the next day and have only been to the Doctor one time since, and that was to show how well I was doing and end workmans comp claim. That was 2 years ago, and since then 3 friends have began using table and a fourth, unfortunatly went the path of the knife and is not doing well at all. Results vary with friends, but All are doing much better. Until next time......Peace

[ecoli]

I have already been flamed for supporting the chripractic arts.:

 

http://www.scienceforums.net/forums/showthread.php?t=8629

[Sayonara]

Exactly where is the flame in that thread?

[RICHARDBATTY]

Thanks for the info. I think the bat table sounds good. I will construct one and try it. To the bat cave, carefully.

[Cap'n Refsmmat]

Exactly where is the flame in that thread?

It's not as much a flame as just people objecting.

 

Post #9 on down.

[Sayonara]

Where?

[Cap'n Refsmmat]

This post and so on.

 

Although it is not much of a flame as it is an objection, as I said earlier.

[Sayonara]

It's an objection to chiropractic, not to ecoli.