Surely masturbation=males evolving to age faster=shorter life spans? [Answered - No]

[Visa]

Hm, But if a male masterbates more frequently, then wouldn't he therefore be better at sexual activities (because of sexual stamina etc), and thus the females the male mates with be more likely to return and carry further progeny?

And thus the male that masterbates more allow more offspring to enter the enviroment and spread his genes?

 

I am not implying that more masturbation would lead to more successful progeny or progeny that is altered genetically by the frequency of the original males masterbation, just that there would be more, and they would possibly be more well cared for by their mothers because of the good memories associated with the sperm donor.

[DrDNA]

Hm, But if a male masterbates more frequently, then wouldn't he therefore be better at sexual activities (because of sexual stamina etc), and thus the females the male mates with be more likely to return and carry further progeny?

And thus the male that masterbates more allow more offspring to enter the enviroment and spread his genes?

 

Except it lowers the sperm count.

Maximum sperm density is generally attained by waiting approximately 3 days between ejaculations.

 

And I suspect that those who dance alone are less, not more, adept at dancing with a partner....at least compared to those who dance frequently with a partner.

[Visa]

Except it lowers the sperm count.

Maximum sperm density is generally attained by waiting approximately 3 days between ejaculations.

 

And I suspect that those who dance alone are less, not more, adept at dancing with a partner....at least compared to those who dance frequently with a partner.

 

Ah, I did not mean that the person masterbated instead of having sex with a partner frequently, I was referring to the fact that a male who masterbates when they are aroused and there is no willing female in the vicinity will have more experience and stamina, compared to those whom did not.

Also, wouldnt maximum sperm density only count during procreation, as sperm density does not factor into masturbation, so aslong as they did not masterbate before a scheduled 'dance' with a female, then it why would the frequency of masterbation matter?

[DrDNA]

I don't think so.

I believe that those who dance alone are concerned only with their own personal gratification.....points for style are not as important in solo competition.

The gratification of their dancing partner is not considered, nor is it necessary.

Furthermore, stamina is generally not required in solo competition.....dance marathons are not necessarily encouraged.

 

It's kind of like an only child that never learned how to share his/her toys.

Playing with your own toy does nothing to prepare you for the joys of sharing your toys with a friend.

[GDG]

Since apparently our brains are quite primitive, that means that our bodies can't tell the difference between mastubation and sex, right?

 

No, your body does react differently when you have a partner. When you masturbate, do you pair-bond with yourself? No, you definitely feel differently -- and, I think, few of the higher brain functions are required

 

Well if this is so, then if you masturbate from a young age, your body would assume you were having sex, and therefore having kids very early on, meaning you're not needed much after that - you've reproduced!

Since (I gathered from that article - kindof ) you're not really needed (as far as genetics are concerned) meaning your genetics will program future generations to age faster since it assumes they'll reproduce from a young age!

 

Your body doesn't do any assuming on its own. Since evolution favors those who reproduce more (or more accurately, who leave more viable offspring), your body should want to go right on ejaculating (and potentially siring offspring) until the day you die.

 

PS I suppose that would mean that in the future, people (mainly males) will go through puberty at a much younger age?

 

Somehow, I don't think that 10 year old boys will be getting many women pregnant in the near future, or that this would be a selective advantage...

[iNow]

Somehow, I don't think that 10 year old boys will be getting many women pregnant in the near future, or that this would be a selective advantage...

 

Grant - Perhaps you should take a gander at this:

http://www.scienceforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=38601

[GDG]

Grant - Perhaps you should take a gander at this:

http://www.scienceforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=38601

 

Oh, it is certainly possible, but the fact that this is news shows how uncommon it is.

[SkepticLance]

Visa is totally correct.

There was an item in New Scientist about this several years back, though I have lost the exact reference. Males who masturbate to orgasm regularly when lacking a sexual partner retain more healthy sexual function than those that do not. This should not surprise anyone. It is just a part of the old principle of 'use it or lose it'. Any part of the human body will perform better if regularly exercised.

 

Sure, there is a temporary lowering of sperm count. But in the long run, keeping sexually active, whether with a partner or not, keeps sexuality in better condition than abstinence.

[iNow]

Males who masturbate to orgasm regularly when lacking a sexual partner retain more healthy sexual function than those that do not.

 

IINM, the discussion was not about sexual function, but about sexual performance. With that said, you are correct that things will wither and die if not used for too long.

[visceral]

I thought males were supposed to masturbate regularly to get rid of old sperm?

[DrDNA]

Where did you hear that?

 

I'll bet it wasn't from your mother.

[SkepticLance]

Not needed. Old sperm dies and there are specialised cells that reabsorb them.

 

However, regular orgasms do keep the old equipment functioning well. There is also biochemical feed-back. For example : orgasms result in endorphin release, making a guy feel good (you already knew that, didn't you?). Regular endorphin release is stress lowering, and has long term health benefits. You can get the same thing from long distance jogging, but let's go with what feels good.

[oland]

I am going to go out on a limb with this one. What usually accompanies masturbation? Fantasy. Often chained thoughts or images that build up until orgasm is realized. I propose that this fantization is "play",practice or in a form planning for the real thing. Often these sex scenes are projections of what we would like to happen. Mentally playing through of these scenarios prepares us to realize the acts that will lead to sex. Ex. Imagining a potential sex partner and fantasizing how we would come to have sex with this partner reinforced by orgasm. So in the old cave man scenario we would have been imaging how we would club the partner and run off with them.

So maybe masturbation has actually helped to develop our brains ability to project into the future.

[kleinwolf]

This section is more medical, and as an elliptic (secret) science, we will never read or speak about it, all this will be kept secret.

 

Masturbate to get rid of old sperm : I don't think, you can have night pollution, during dreams for example. You don't need to "beat the small" (masturbate) for ejaculation (barbarian), and we beat the people masturbating..violence is sadly probably unavoidable in society

 

Maybe there are several masturbation type :

-fist, we beat the small, and this makes pleasure.

-3 fingers (be more patient, most of the time it gets not very high : we break your head),

-colombine--->Amerika, very old (from Colombus), here the penis enters, the shoulders get down and

you transform in a spyder or a woman I don't know ?

-(to be completed)

 

Key point -- Remember that masturbation causes homosexuality

 

but I don't know which psychological influence it could have. No reference for this.

 

The joke is that human evolved from monkey by masturbation, because the male human has always the penis outside.

 

 

The point is how to reduce (avoid is impossible, because violence is omnipresent) masturbation, because it presses on the blood vessel of the penis and maybe this left it in a smaller size than natural, and I think masturbation can even lead to more probable violent acts, or psychophatic, and smell even.

 

The first post was saying that the body cannot distinguish between masturbation and sexual act, this is wrong, because in a sexual act chemical substances are exchanged, if no condoms are used.

Edited April 18, 2009 by kleinwolf

[guppyman]

I think different animals have difference sexual preferences.

 

Masturbation is perculair to humans... I think.

[Mokele]

What? Are you posting while drunk? None of that makes anything even close to sense.

[Phi for All]

Key point -- Remember that masturbation causes homosexuality

 

but I don't know which psychological influence it could have. No reference for this.

There are some obvious translation problems with some of your post, but this part is easily understood, and completely false. When you can't find a reference for something, please don't state it as fact.

 

The joke is that human evolved from monkey by masturbation, because the male human has always the penis outside.

This is another statement I'll bet you can't find a reference for.

 

 

The point is how to reduce (avoid is impossible, because violence is omnipresent) masturbation, because it presses on the blood vessel of the penis and maybe this left it in a smaller size than natural, and I think masturbation can even lead to more probable violent acts, or psychophatic, and smell even.

Better. Using words like "maybe" and "I think" turn this into your opinion instead of a statement of fact. But you're still wrong. Here is a fairly easy to understand explanation based on several studies: http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/guide/masturbation-guide

 

 

I think different animals have difference sexual preferences.

 

Masturbation is perculair to humans... I think.

Zoo. Monkeys. Observe.

[iNow]

I think different animals have difference sexual preferences.

They do. We explored that topic here:

 

http://www.scienceforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=36687

 

 

Masturbation is perculair to humans... I think.

 

As Phi for All alluded to, that is not true. Masturbation has been observed in numerous species.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sexuality#Autoeroticism_.28masturbation.29

 

 

The larger point, though, was that the post to which you were responding was totally bunk and really pretty nonsensical.

[cetus]

i thought it was if u can masturbate then u can have children if you can not masturbate yuo can not have children

it does not matter what age u are

[iNow]

i thought it was if u can masturbate then u can have children if you can not masturbate yuo can not have children

it does not matter what age u are

 

Let me ask you this, cetus. Can people who are infertile still masturbate for the pleasurable feeling it brings?

 

Also, how about this... Can a man with no arms still have children? I would think yes, even though masturbation would be so difficult for him.

[mooeypoo]

Also, how about this... Can a man with no arms still have children? I would think yes, even though masturbation would be so difficult for him.

You should work on your imagination skills, buddy.

[iNow]

I said "difficult," not impossible. My imagination is right where it needs to be.

[kleinwolf]

Do you know if this activity can lead to higher blood pressure ?

[cetus]

what i meant was if sperm comes out when you masturbate then you can have kids if you don't then you can't

[Mokele]

Sperm are constantly replenished, at a rate of millions per hour.