tsolkas Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 NEWTON IS WRONG!!! The three laws of Newton are wrong !!! see:http://www.tsolkas.gr/english/document1/gr...gravital-1.html Regards, Christos A. Tsolkas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 moved to speculations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncool Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 Linky no worky. =Uncool- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane_alien Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 appart from the link completely failing to work, we know that newtons 'laws' are wrong. this is why to be perfectly accurate you should use einsteinian mechanics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 Newton will remain "right" until tsolkas fixes the link in his OP. I'll give it two days before closing this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Skeptic Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 I think he meant this one. http://www.tsolkas.gr/english/document1/gravital-1/gravital-1.html Happy hunting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cuthber Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 OK, here's a quote from that site."force F by which the two material bodies Α and Β attract one another always depends on their material composition, and this force F is never independent of the bodies’ material composition, as Newton states in his first law of universal gravitation." It's demonstrably false- rocks of different compositions and artificial satelites orbit in the same way (ie at same speed for any given distance). Incidentally, it's difficult to say how right or wrong Newton is since he's dead- like this theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeonBlack Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 I_A: Newton's laws, the "Three laws" at least, (not including gravity) are always right. As far as I know, Einstein doesn't mess with the 3 laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane_alien Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 I_A: Newton's laws, the "Three laws" at least, (not including gravity) are always right. As far as I know, Einstein doesn't mess with the 3 laws. yeah it does. the ass changes in the second law depending on how fast your going. though in the local frame you can probably take it as uncahnged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncool Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 yeah it does. the ass changes in the second law depending on how fast your going. though in the local frame you can probably take it as uncahnged. That doesn't really mess with the laws, more with the constants assumed. Though you could interpret it as messing with the laws by replacing m with m0*(Lorentz factor)*a. =Uncool- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeonBlack Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 1. The idea of "relativistic mass" has not been used by most physicists for several decades now. 2. Newton's second law says [math]F=\frac{d}{dt}p[/math] (force and momentum are vectors, of course. I don't know how to draw the arrows.) This is just the definition of force. Einstein just modifies momentum slightly so that [math]p=mv\gamma[/math] instead of just [math]p=mv[/math] Again, do not let gamma be attached to the mass so that you have m(v) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 2. Newton's second law says [math]F=\frac{d}{dt}p[/math] (force and momentum are vectors, of course. I don't know how to draw the arrows.) This is just the definition of force. Einstein just modifies momentum slightly so that [math]p=mv\gamma[/math] instead of just [math]p=mv[/math] [math]\vec{F}=\frac{d}{dt}\vec{\rho}[/math] renders as [math]\vec{F}=\frac{d}{dt}\vec{\rho}[/math](and shouldn't that be a partial derivative?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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