qwe)k Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 Could some of you please outline Quantum theory for me. Everything i find on the internet is to complex and in depth for my understanding. I'm only 15 but i want to understand so i can actually make sense of more complex explanations. (Don't flame me, its an innocent question) Thanks qwe)k
Klaynos Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 It's a very complicated subject but, basically it comes from everything is quantised, so, take an electron in an atom as an example, it has energy, and this amount of energy has a set of possible allowed values, it can not be anywhere between these values EVER... This quantisation leads to some interesting effects, including that you can no longer talk of things as being waves or particles, they're a mix of both of them, it's quite easy to show that an electron acts as a wave. Another important concept is that of uncertainty, which says that you can only know things such as possition to a certain accuracy bassed on how well you know the momentum of the thing you are measuring. And if you know one of them perfectly you cannot know what the other one is. IMO a good place to read about this is: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quacon.html#quacon
qwe)k Posted November 18, 2007 Author Posted November 18, 2007 Thanks for the link and the explanation. After I write this reply I'll have better look and do a little research. I forgot to mention that I asked this question initially to try and bring together what I know of the subject. Am I right in saying that everything is a vibration of energy? and that no objects position can be pin pointed because of this? qwe)k
Testo Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 Well, I think what your referring to is the uncertainty principle which states that you can't know the exact position and its speed (actually momentum) at the same time. Say you know an objects exact location, you have no idea of what its speed is and vice versa. The reasons behind this principle is quite complicated however. As to whether everything is a vibration of energy, i'm not sure what you mean because you need energy for something to vibrate. But i think your question comes from another theory called 'string theory' which basically states that everything is made up of vibrating strings.
qwe)k Posted November 18, 2007 Author Posted November 18, 2007 That's right, its the string theory. I got mixed up. Any ways I was just about to start reading my book on that very theory. I'm going to read up and repost a question! Thank you for you're efforts and patients with my noobieness. (not sarcasm)
ydoaPs Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 That's right, its the string theory. I got mixed up. Any ways I was just about to start reading my book on that very theory. I'm going to read up and repost a question! Thank you for you're efforts and patients with my noobieness. (not sarcasm) Which book? IIRC, a few of the most popular are The Elegant Universe and The Fabric of The Cosmos both by Brian Greene.
qwe)k Posted November 18, 2007 Author Posted November 18, 2007 Those books sound interesting, Ill check them out. The book I am starting after i finish my current book is called NOT EVEN WRONG by Peter Woit. "the Continuing Challenge to Unify the Laws of Physics". It should be interesting. It talks about the Failure of the string theory. This book along with the book I'm reading at the moment was the only thing I could find in Waterstones on the subject, hopefully it will give me a few good facts, even if its challenging the string theory My current book is THE STATE OF THE UNIVERSE by Pedro G. Ferreira which is about modern cosmology.
ydoaPs Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 Those books sound interesting, Ill check them out. The book I am starting after i finish my current book is called NOT EVEN WRONG by Peter Woit. "the Continuing Challenge to Unify the Laws of Physics". It should be interesting. It talks about the Failure of the string theory. This book along with the book I'm reading at the moment was the only thing I could find in Waterstones on the subject, hopefully it will give me a few good facts, even if its challenging the string theory My current book is THE STATE OF THE UNIVERSE by Pedro G. Ferreira which is about modern cosmology. I'm confused. Before, you sounded like you wanted a pro-string book. But, you're reading Not Even Wrong?
qwe)k Posted November 18, 2007 Author Posted November 18, 2007 Sorry for my bad explanation. I do want a pro-string book. However, i could not find one in Waterstones after asking two people. So I settled with Not Even Wrong. It said on the back that it includes how the theory came to be made and so on so I thought it could be educational. even if its purpose is to disprove the theory. I wrote down you're recommendation's and I'll look for them and ask around. Again sorry for my explanation... poorly structured. Thanks
Klaynos Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 Roger Penrose's books are supposed to be really really great, but tough going...
milkyrain Posted November 20, 2007 Posted November 20, 2007 Quantum Mechanics The nature of light as understood in terms of the Maxwell's electromagnetic wave theory of light says that light is made of an electric and a magnetic force moving perpendicularly to each other towards the lights direction. The force fields oscillate periodically and are detected as waves. This can be shown by the pattern of interference shown when light passes through two or more slits. The double slit experiment, used to show interference in waves, can be performed on one photon, one packet of light, at a time. You would expect that no interference pattern be seen as unlike a wave one photon must travel through either one slit or the other and have nothing to interfere with. However this experiment has been performed numerous times, and after letting a stream of photons through one at a time the random dots on the screen soon revel an interference pattern. This implies that the photons split when going through the two slits and reforms to be detected as one photon on the screen. The photons can also be measured by placing a detector on each slit measuring which one it goes through, when this is done an interference pattern is not formed. The light beam behaves as a particle when equipment that tests for particles is used, and as a wave when a wave is being tested for. The question then rose of how the quanta knew what number of tunnels to pass through when the particle detector is placed at the other side of the door. The fact that everything had the potential to act like waves of energy and particles of mass was explained by Einstein. It was shown that electrons can act like particles when they collide but when they orbit a nucleus they travel as a wave, always a whole number of waves from the nucleus. It can only travel at a completed wavelength and so it has a non zero minimum energy. If the electron is given more it will try to reach it's lowest state emitting any access energy as photons. Measuring which slit the photon travels through is measuring it's position and measuring the interference pattern is a measurement of it's wavelength from which you can work out it's velocity, that is it's direction and speed. Because it can not be measured as both a wave and a particle at the same time properties of both can not be measured simultaneously, they are non-commuting. The more accurately you can measure the position then the less accurately you can measure the velocity and the same is true the other way around. The uncertainty could never be less than a certain number worked out by Heisenberg. Quantum mechanics can not predict what something will do in the future, it can only give a probability. Like throwing dice it can not be known what the outcome will be all we can determine are the probabilities of the quanta having each position and velocity which is described by something called the wave function which we can predict over time. Previous to this people had thought that the future was predictable. Laplace suggested that if we knew the positions and velocities of all of the atoms in the universe then we could predict it's whole future and work out it's whole past but the Heisenberg uncertainty principle showed that it is a fundamental law of the universe that you can not know both these things. It is not just the limitation of our knowledge, it simply can't be done. Two photons can be connected together and separated to the other side of the world and still the measurement of one will change the state of the other instantly irrelevant of location. If two quanta were formed which had to propagate at right angles to each other in all planes then measuring one would determine that the other was 90 degrees from it. The property did not exist until it was measured and yet simultaneously the other quanta changed to correspond with the measured result. This happened even if they were so far apart that not even light could travel between them, no message could be sent. Quantum physics explains this by stating that there is a non-locality whereby the photon knows how to behave how ever far away the apparatus is from it, location is irrelevant. However this knowledge can not be sent as a message as it can be so far away that not even light, the fastest possible thing, could travel there in time. This implies instantaneous communication 'Spooky action at a distance' Einstein called it. The Copenhagen theory accepts these aspects of quantum physics as merely factual information about the universe that we have discovered, this is in contrast to Einstein's view which was that the consequences of quantum physics shows an incompleteness of the theory. In 1935 as part of an on going debate with Bohr, who advocated the Copenhagen theory Einstein and his colleagues Podolski and Rosen presented a paper (known as EPR) that claimed locality must be preserved. The EPR paper stated that quantum physics has an incompleteness which can be explained by 'hidden variables'. An experiment can be set up whereby the energy states of electrons are altered so that there is a release of photons. It has been found that in certain atoms the photons released are always done so at perpendicular angles. This can be measured in the x, y and z planes, and so measuring the polarisation in plane x of photon A determines that the same result in photon B would be perpendicular to this. This is country to the above statement that two non-commuting variables can not be known simultaneously. If this is true then there need not be a theory of non-locality, the photons simply have fixed but opposite polarities when they leave the electron. Bell's theory explains the probabilities of specific measurements of the polarities in the x, y and z planes of two photons if Einstein was correct. In practice the probabilities recorded did not agree with this inequality, assuming the laws of logic hold, that special relativity holds, and that locality holds there is no explanation for the recorded results. The assumption that must be wrong is locality, our idea of space, and therefore only quantum physics can account for the fact that the probability is different - the measure of x in Photon A disturbs the measurement of y in Photon B. The random as apposed to deterministic nature of the photons, and the idea that it is only in measuring a feature that the feature exists is troubling to the classically held view of reality as holding fundamentally predictable and logically explainable empirical and a priori properties. Perhaps space is an illusion, or perhaps the illusion is time. If this experiment is carried out with a time delay on the photon that is measured then it must affect the other photon even though it should have already chosen what to be. The message is sent backwards in time. Another idea is that perhaps it is not random whether or not we view an ordinary quanta as a wave or a particle. Perhaps every time this decision has to be made the universe branches off into two, in one world it is a wave and in another a particle. The new parallel world and an infinite amount of others are all contained inside something else. It seems that what is random is not what the quanta does but in which world your consciousness lands in. Some believe that this means that the observation which defines the quanta's existence must be by a conscious observer. This would mean that the universe would not exist if we were not here to observe it and would lead to the question of how we could have then evolved in it. just a little introduction
qwe)k Posted November 20, 2007 Author Posted November 20, 2007 Oh dear god, this should answer my question. Thanks you so much for this explanation I've put it on word and will read through it. I briefly looked at it just now and it makes sense in the way you have explained. THANK YOU:D
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