Help, Anybody, Please

[mikehad]

Im politely asking for anybody who can help me understand how HHO GAS or KLEIN GAS works. how does the electrolysis seprate the h2 into hh? how does it all work out, etc..

 

Please i need all the help i can get..

[ydoaPs]

HHO? Like H₂O?

[mikehad]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oUmlLqkUHd0

[swansont]

It's a croc. Electrolysis takes more energy than you get back. That pesky second law of thermodynamics. Sad, though not too surprising, that the news channel was taken in by it.

 

http://www.randi.org/jr/2006-05/052606action.html#i3

[mikehad]

tHIS IS MY SCIENCE FAIR PROJECT . INNEEED HELP UNDERSTANDING please im begging people!??

[ydoaPs]

Pick a different project. It's a scam. Check out what Swansont said.

[Cap'n Refsmmat]

In other words, it doesn't work. You can't get free energy from Klein gas.

[gonelli]

Maybe someone should go and tell the US government about the second law of thermodynamics before they buy that HHO/petrol hybrid from this guy

[swansont]

Maybe someone should go and tell the US government about the second law of thermodynamics before they buy that HHO/petrol hybrid from this guy

 

Unfortunately the guys who write the checks aren't the scientists who know it's bunk. They see it as a sort of Pascal's wager, where there's little risk (the actual amount of money invested is small) but a possible huge upside if it pans out. But they don't understand that "small chance of success" is very different from "no chance of success."

[Phi for All]

Here is a link to a chemical engineer's blog on why HHO gas is a scam. Perhapos your science project can be showing how it violates the second law of thermodynamics.

[mikehad]

Thanks

[Phi for All]

You're welcome. I hope you have time to do something else, mikehad.

[swansont]

Here is a link to a chemical engineer's blog on why HHO gas is a scam. Perhapos your science project can be showing how it violates the second law of thermodynamics.

 

One nit with that blog's explanation of why gasoline releases energy (for anyone playing along in the home version of the game).

 

"Because you started with gasoline and ended with simpler molecules, you released energy that was stored in the hydrocarbon bonds of the gasoline."

 

This is a common way to explain things, but it's wrong — energy isn't stored in chemical bonds. Energy is released in forming bonds. When you combust gasoline (or anything) you are forming more and/or stronger bonds, which releases energy. You could do better if you had no bonds at all to start with — just a bunch of free C, H and O, but nature doesn't provide these to us, because they tend to form bound states (surprise!)

 

Of course, with water electrolysis and combustion, they're the exact same bonds, which is why no energy can be gained, just like he says.