Magnetosynthesis

[swansont]

Any actual peer-reviewed evidence to support your claims?

[Edtharan]

Arthur C. Clarke, said something like,

Highly advanced technology, to us, should seem like magic.

That quote is so out of context. Clark said it in relation to writing science fiction. Yes - Fiction.

 

And besides, it would only appear like magic until it was explained. Once it is explained it would not longer be magic, it would be Science.

 

If you set up a camera, and recorded yourself during a nights sleep, would you be found moving less than you did last year? Every year?

 

Can learning why a bird's egg must be turned during incubation double life expectancy in humans? Learn how to prevent osteoporosis, just the way children do?

You have made a big leap here. You need to ask the question: "Why do we turn in bed". What advantage doe it bring?

 

Stopping Osteoperosis or extending life spans would not likely be the first reason simple because evolution would not select for this strongly. As long as an animal lives long enough to succesfully reproduce, that is all evolution needs (that is why there is so many bad designs in the biological world - good enough is good enough). Living beyond that period is not needed.

 

Well ther eis a really simple explaination. Blood.

 

When lying down to sleep, you put pressure on parts of your body. This resticts blood flow and if this pressure remains for too long, it can cause damage. So turing during your sleep will relieve the pressure and thus allow the blood to circulate better.

 

In birds eggs it would be something similar I would expect. The blood in the developing embrio would not have a strong heart to pump it around, this could make it pool and negative effect the embrio. Turning the egg would then have the same effect as it does for us, namely that it stop the blood from pooling and allows it to flow better.

 

Some say the planet Mars does not have a magnetic field. And, some say we would not have the atmosphere that we do, if it were not for the Earth's magnetic field. The word "firmament" may be referring to our atmosphere and its ability to maintain life, when mentioned in the Bible.

Pure speculation in an attempt to fit something to your own ideas. What you should do is look at the meaning of the word at the time it was written. That is the meaning that you should assign to it.

 

You may be familiar with the opening theam form the cartoon "The Flintstones".

 

Ther eis a line in it that says: "And have a gay old time."

 

In modern menaings this could merna that the creators of The Flintstones were making a political statment about Homesexuals. Or if we actually look at the meaning of the word when the title was written, it should emna that they ment us to have fun.

 

In a matter of a few decades the meaning of that line has changed dramatically. However, if we are to understand what the line actually menat, we have to look at what the word meant when it was written. Interpereting in today's lexical landscape is just to twist the words to fit our own desiers.

 

This is what you are doing. You are using modern menaings (well your own meaning and not one that existed before you proposed it) to interperest a word that was penned a long time ago.

 

You are making the Equivocation logical falacy doing so.

[alanejackson]

Magnetotaxis, something in common, genetically.

 

The theory of Magnetrition was inspired, and is based on the properties and behavior of magnetotactic bacteria, along with statistical data indicating, a high degree of movement required in/for the maintenance of warm-blooded metabolisms, or cellular deterioration corresponding with a lack of movement in warm-blooded metabolisms. Magnetrition predicts magnetotactic organelles serving the same function within warm-blooded cells, as does the phototactic chloroplast does in the plant cell. And, since the chloroplast are considered to be a corresponding organelle in plant cells, to the mitochondria in ours, I have been considering the latter organelle as the prime candidate predicted. However, after 20 some years of gathering data concerning the matter, along with indications that most lifeforms use the Earth's magnetic field as an aid in migration, so too are found indications that most organelles used magnetotaxis in their locomotion. And may do so due to genetic inheritance.

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The complexity of humans may lie not in genes but in the web of interactions among the proteins they make.

By Patrick Barry. May 12th, 2008

Web of protein interactions reflects human complexity better than number of genes.

Humans don’t have many more genes than fruit flies or microscopic roundworms, but the network of protein interactions in human cells is much larger and more complex, a new estimate shows.

While people have only about 20,000 genes, the proteins encoded by those genes interact in roughly 650,000 ways. That network of interactions, or “interactome,” is about 10 times larger than that of the fruit fly and three times the size of the roundworm’s interactome.

While the interactome encompasses more of an organism’s complexity than the genome alone, Stumpf says that comparing interactomes captures only part of the total difference in complexity between species. Interactomes deal exclusively with proteins, but other kinds of molecules such as small RNAs are also cogs in a cell’s baroque machinery.

“It’s much, much more than just the organization of protein interactions,” Stumpf says. “There’s so much we don’t know. It’s such an exciting time.”

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Cells' innards may share origin.

By Patrick Barry. December 11th, 2007.

From Washington, D.C., at a meeting of the American Society for Cell Biology

Despite their outward differences, many of the organelles within cells may have a common evolutionary heritage.

In a case of scientific serendipity, data gathered by separate research teams working on various organelles lend new support to the theory that a simpler cellular compartment gave rise to the organelles' diverse modern forms.

"We all had been looking at specific organelles, but sitting there [at the conference] listening to the other scientists speak, there seemed to be something common in all of them," says Damien Devos of the European Molecular Biology Laboratory in Heidelberg, Germany.

Several research groups had been studying proteins that guide the movements and interactions of organelles such as the Golgi apparatus, the endoplasmic reticulum (ER) and the nucleus.

"The data are contradictory if you look at one protein at a time," says Joel B. Dacks of the University of Cambridge in England. "But if you look at them together, it fits."

Each protein on an organelle has evolved at a different rate, so each tells a different story about how long ago that organelle might have diverged from an ancient, simpler organelle and begun developing unique functions.

But Dacks suggests that because all the proteins on one organelle must function together, a change in even one protein could be enough to send the whole compartment off in a new evolutionary direction.

Viewed this way, the measured similarities among the versions of organelle proteins such as Rab, SNARE, and Adaptin suggest they all evolved from a compartment in an ancestral cell that lived long before multicellular life arose, Devos and Dacks say. Such a scenario would contradict the idea that organelles such as the Golgi apparatus and the ER independently evolved, perhaps from pockets in the cell's outer membrane.

"They all came from the same place," Dacks postulates. However, even if further research supports the new theory, it would not apply to energy-converting mitochondria or sunlight-absorbing chloroplasts, which are known to have evolved from ancient, independent-living bacteria that became incorporated into the cells.

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Genetic mutations in cells' internal powerhouses could contribute to aging by stifling tissue maintenance.

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Cell death may spur aging.

By Christen Brownlee. July 25th, 2005.

OL' MUTANT. Excess mutations in cells' power-generating organelles have aged the mouse on the right far faster than the normal mouse of the same age at left.J. Miller

Genetic mutations in cells' internal powerhouses could contribute to aging by stifling tissue maintenance, according to new research.

These power-generating organelles, known as mitochondria, have their own DNA separate from that in a cell's nucleus. In a previous study, researchers in Sweden created mutant strains of mice that accumulated excess mitochondrial mutations. The mice aged faster than normal, suggesting that mutations contribute to aging.

Tomas Prolla of the University of Wisconsin-Madison and his colleagues set out to find out just how the mutations might be doing this. Working with the same mutant-mouse strain that the Swedish researchers did, Prolla's team measured levels of cell death, or apoptosis, in several different tissues. When compared with tissues from normal mice, many of the tissues in the mutant strain showed significantly more apoptosis. The researchers suggest that the damaged mitochondria prompt cells to die.

Prolla and his colleagues note in the July 15 Science that the loss of critical cells, such as stem cells responsible for maintaining most tissues, could lead to gray hair, failing senses, and other signs of old age.

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Cytoplasm affects embryonic development.

By Christen Brownlee. February 28th, 2005.

New research provides the best evidence yet that a fertilized egg's nucleus isn't the sole site of control for an embryo's development. Signals emanating from the cell's mitochondria-its power-generating organelles-also appear to influence how an organism grows.

Mitochondria carry their own DNA, which is unrelated to the genetic material in a cell's nucleus. Scientists have been unsure whether mitochondrial DNA has an impact on developmental processes.

To investigate this, Zuo-Yan Zhu and his colleagues at the Chinese Academy of Sciences in Wuhan cloned carp through a technique called nuclear transfer. This method removes the nucleus from one cell and inserts it into an egg that has had its own nucleus removed. However, instead of inserting carp nuclei into carp eggs, Zhu's team inserted them into goldfish eggs.

Normal carp have 33 to 36 vertebrae. However, the resulting cloned fish had between 26 and 28 vertebrae-the same number as goldfish-suggesting that mitochondrial DNA in the goldfish eggs had affected the carps' development.

Zhu notes that these results, published in the March Biology of Reproduction, may make researchers think twice about proposals to clone extinct animals using the eggs of living species.

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Posetd by Albert de Roos on Sunday, May 27, 2007, at 00:58, and filed under morphology <http://www.origin-of-mitochondria.net/?cat=1>.'>http://www.origin-of-mitochondria.net/?cat=1>.

Stage I (35-300 um): During early stage I (35-75 um diameter), the distinctive polarity of stage 0 oocytes is lost, and oocytes appear symmetrical in shape and cytoplasmic organization. The growing nucleus, or germinal vesicle (GV), moves to the center of the oocyte and cytoplasmic organelles, such as mitochondria, become dispersed throughout the cytoplasm (JPEG: 55 KB). Mitochondria begin to aggregate into perinuclear clumps, and by mid-stage I, oocytes contain one or two prominent mitochondrial aggregates, variously referred to as the Balbiani bodies, mitochondrial clouds, or mitochondrial masses (JPEG: 52 KB). These masses are readily visible in light micrographs of the transparent, pre-vitellogenic, stage I oocytes (JPEG: 9 KB). The granular fibrillar germ plasm is associated with the mitochondrial mass of stage I oocytes, as are several maternal RNAs. From here <http://www.biology.utah.edu/gard/HTML/Oogenesis/Oogenesis_body.htm>.

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2007 08 19 Albert de Roos.

When I started this work, I still thought of the mitochondrion as an independent unit, and pondered the possibility that the proto-mitochondrion was a reduced nucleus due to a mitosis gone wrong. In this way, two interdependent cells were obtained. The first would be the nucleus but without essential metabolic proteins, the second a remnant […]

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[Graviphoton]

Do we have any wannabee epidemiologists here who would care to comment on Mr Jackson's post above in light of three facts.

Over the last 200 years we have generally been exposed to ever increasing and more complex fields.

We are living longer than ever before and enjoying better health than ever.

In less developed nations the exposure to magnetic fields is smaller yet the health of the population generally worse.

 

''In less developed nations the exposure to magnetic fields is smaller yet the health of the population generally worse.''

 

Maybe that's the whole point. The less developed area's will have the least kind of medical attention, and also perhaps many area's are afflicted with disease and cholera. Maybe that's why health is poor. Not cables sending transmissions.

[alanejackson]

I would, if I were you, put "Floating Frogs" in Google's search and then discuss diamagnetics...

 

Is it microgravitational field? Or micromagnetic field? Or Both?

 

"Experiments to compare the orientation of Magnetospirillum magnetotacticum to north- or south-pole magnets were conducted in normal gravity and in the microgravity environments aboard the Space Shuttle and Space Station MIR. In each of the microgravity situations studied, bacteria were impaired in their ability to orient to magnets, suggesting that on earth the bacteria use magnetosomes to respond to gravity."

 

http://www.ksu.edu/biology/bio/facul...abstract1.html

 

 

1 Kings 4:29 And God gave Solomon wisdom and understanding exceeding much, and largeness of heart, even as the sand that is on the sea shore.

 

''In less developed nations the exposure to magnetic fields is smaller yet the health of the population generally worse.''

 

Maybe that's the whole point. The less developed area's will have the least kind of medical attention,.....

 

They have the least education. The least nutritional benefits.

 

The theory of Magnetrition predicts that we today will be seen as having poor health compared to those in the future educated as to why a bird egg requires turning.

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From w...@biobase.dkWed Feb 28 10:36:04 1996

Date: 28 Feb 1996 08:50:40 GMT

From: Troels Wind <w...@biobase.dk>

To: biofo...@net.bio.net

Subject: Re: women's converging menstrual cycles

 

 

Alan E. Jackson (AJack...@ST.CEU.EDU) wrote:

 

 

(long article on possible action of magnetic

field in converging menstrual cycles - DELETED)

 

 

TROELS WIND comments (indented by > sign):

 

 

 

> What a pile of nonsence! Regarding womens cycle, stick

> to the pheromone theory. I dont have any refs, but any

> university library should be able to help you out.

 

 

ALEX BEREZIN comments:

 

Dear Dr/Mr/Ms Troels,

 

 

I wonder why you go so harsh on Alan Jackson posting.

It is not to say that his assumption (that magnetic

effects are important in this case) is necessarily the

explanation (or even relevant in this case), but the

whole issue of magnetic bacteria, etc is not at all a

pseudo-science as you may think. There was a major

article on this recently, I forgot exactly where, but in

something like Sci.Amer. or Amer.Scientists. (NOT in

a crap journal).

 

 

In the effect of phase locking the particular type

of the leading interaction is often secondary. For

example, in establishing coherency in laser systems

several DIFFERENT mechanisms may (independently and/or

concurently) lead to the same result (phase locking

in a dominant frequency mode).

 

 

It may well be that in a case of menstrual converging

there is no a single ('one size fits all') mechanism,

but several competing routes can be opertaional.

Making assumption, testing them, rejecting, etc. is

what we call science. Saying (as you do) ... "stick

to the pheromon theory ..." is a pseudo-science (or

at best metaphysics), because it presumes that you know

the 'true answer', which often turn out to be wrong.

 

 

 

> Mr. Jackson, youre sick! Or maybe your magnetic bacteria

> inside (!) your cells have lost track of 'time and space'.

> BTW, when did you perform your last time-travel?

 

 

BEREZIN:

You should be aware by that time that personal

insults in science damage (always and invariably)

YOUR credebility, not the credebility of your opponents

(read Einstein's biography for this matter).

 

 

> No doubt megnetism plays some role in life, but the above

> is at best pure fantasy, or even worse, somebodys attempt

> to create 'scientific' proof for their 'WonderMagnets'

> $200 each to hang around your neck.

 

 

BEREZIN:

Despite booming market and a lot of crap around the

things like 'healing magnets' or 'healing crystals', the

whole matter is far from being dismissted altogether

and warrants serious and open minded studies some of which

are fortunately go on.

 

 

> Furthermore, Mr. Jackson,

> the next time you feel like spreading your pseudo

> science around, at least have the currage to include

> proper references AND make a sharp distinction between

> what is YOUR ideas/theories and what is others.

 

 

BEREZIN:

I concur with you on the need of proper referencing,

but that's a technical suggestion which equally applys to

you.

 

 

> I hope you get better soon,

> Troels

 

 

BEREZIN:

I hope you too.

 

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Alexander A. Berezin, PhD

Department of Engineering Physics

McMaster University, Hamilton,

Ontario, Canada, L8S 4L7

tel. (905) 525-9140 ext. 24546

e-mail: BERE...@MCMASTER.CA

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Using Magnets To Turn Off The Brains Speech Center

Science editor at the Telegraph, Roger Highfield, recently volunteered to subject his brain to intense magnetic fields. The research showed that a sufficiently strong, precisely directed magnetic field can interrupt the parts of the brain responsible for speech.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/earth/2008/05/16/scibrain216.xml

 

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"A Sixth Sense for a Wired World."

 

"For the few people who have rare earth magnets implanted in their fingers, these are among the reported effects -- a finger that feels electromagnetic fields along with the normal sense of touch.

 

According to Huffman, the magnet works by moving very slightly, or with a noticeable oscillation, in response to EM fields. This stimulates the somatosensory receptors in the fingertip, the same nerves that are responsible for perceiving pressure, temperature and pain. Huffman and other recipients found they could locate electric stovetops and motors, and pick out live electrical cables. Appliance cords in the United States give off a 60-Hz field, a sensation with which Huffman has become intimately familiar. "It is a light, rapid buzz," he says."

 

http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mods/news/2006/06/71087

[alanejackson]

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Magnetosynthesis - Magnetotaxis generated cellular cytoplasmic streaming/circulation.

 

Light is to Plants what/as Magnetic Fields are to Us. We use magnetic Fields for the same reason plants use light.

 

 

The circulation in the cell that I'm referring to is caused by the movement of magnetically migrating organelles, and is not due to the Earth's magnetic attraction, of the magnetic/magnetite particles found within our bodies.

 

SCIENCE, Vol.215, 19 March 1982. Page 1492 Magnetic Navigation and Attractive Possibility.

"Investigators find magnetic particles in organisms ranging from bacteria to man; their role in orientation is still problematic."

Discover, January 1993. MAGNETIC MINDS

"...... they found that a thimbleful of brain tissue contains about 5 million magnetite crystals,....."

It is magnetic direction rather than magnetic attraction being utilized within our cells, once the magnetite chain is produced within an organelle. Dispersion of matter within the cells of warm-blooded animals occurs, or is a byproduct of the currents in the protoplasm resulting from the magnetic migration of organelles.

 

Compared to cold blooded animals, the dissemination of matter within the cells of warm-blooded animals needs to occur quicker, or at a more rapid pace, to facilitate the more complex, warmer metabolism. This is accomplished by a frequent pattern of occurrence of reorientation in a magnetic field.

 

Without a sufficient rate of reorientation, magnetically, the protoplasm within warm-blooded animal cells becomes detrimentally stagnant, unable to achieve the degree of matter dissemination required for mechanisms to function properly, and the result is varying degrees of osteoporosis or even death.

 

The temperature of warm-blooded cells is required and maintain by a higher rate of metabolic operations, compared to that of the cold-blooded cell. And the warm-blooded metabolism requires more cytoplasmic streaming/circulation, compared to that of the cold-blooded. Evolutionary speaking, this affords warm-blooded animals a more rapid response time in dealing with its adaptation to changing/threatening environmental conditions.

 

 

It Is the Theory Which Decides What We Can Observe. -- Albert Einstein

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Linguistic Correction.

 

Or.

 

Vocabulary/Nomenclature Under Construction.

 

"Philosophy is a battle against the bewitchment of our intelligence."

"The puzzle arises out of a linguistic mistake." -- Budwick Liftinstien

 

Puzzle - 1. to be perplexed, etc. 2. to exercise one's mind, as over the solution of a problem.

 

Thus: "The solution/answer arises out of a linguistic correction." -- Alan E. Jackson

 

Wordsmith - a person who uses language skillfully. Philologist - historical linguist.

 

Cell Biology -

 

"The mitochondrion and the chloroplast" - Encyclopædia Britannica 2003.

 

"Mitochondria and chloroplasts are the powerhouses of the cell. Mitochondria appear in both plant and animal cells as elongated, cylindrical bodies, roughly one micrometre inlength and closely packed in regions actively using metabolic energy. Oxidizing the products of cytoplasmic metabolism, they convert the energy so liberated into adenosine triphosphate (ATP), the energy currency of the cell. Chloroplasts are the photosynthetic organelles in plant and plantlike bacterial cells. They trap light energy and convert it partly into ATP but mainly into certain chemically reduced molecules that, together with ATP, are used in the first steps of carbohydrate production. Mitochondria and chloroplasts share a certain structural resemblance, and both have a somewhat independent existence within the cell, synthesizing some proteins and dividing according to their own genetic instructions."

 

"They trap light energy ......". There is the linguistic mistake. The correct terminology should be; "They utilize electromagnetic energy ....."

 

Solution - Chloroplasts are electromagnetotactic. Mitochondria are electromagnetotactic. They both preform electromagneticsynthesis, and move/migrate due to electromagnetotaxis.

 

The theory of Magnetrition identifies both the mitochondria and chloroplasts as utilizing/harnessing electromagnetic energy. And each have evolved variations of mechanisms, with the ability to benefit from what the electromagnetic spectrum offers.

 

Surface tissues of biological structures utilize aspects of the electromagnetic spectrum unable to achieve deeper penetration, and may also shield interiors. These processes resulting in the production of chlorophyll, vitamin D, and beta-carotene, etc. are more visually recognizable/noticeable.

 

Interior membranes/tissues are also found to be under the influence, and able to derive benefits from energy broadcast via wavelengths of the electromagnetic spectrum.

 

Proposed new terminology.

 

First Order Magnetics - free, traveling electromagnetic energy.

 

Second Order Magnetics - captured/stored electromagnetic energy.

 

 

Alan

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[Mr Skeptic]

"They trap light energy ......". There is the linguistic mistake. The correct terminology should be; "They utilize electromagnetic energy ....."

 

No, it is more correct than saying they use electromagnetic energy. Light and electromagnetic energy are not equivalent. A plant cannot use radio waves, microwaves, gamma rays, etc, even though these are electromagnetic radiation. Plants use the portion of the electromagnetic spectrum we call "light".