K. Margiani Posted January 17, 2008 Posted January 17, 2008 letter 1 HH46/47 (EXPLANATION OF NASA) http://sscws1.ipac.caltech.edu/Imagegallery/image.php?image_name=ssc2003-06f This image from NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope transforms a dark cloud into a silky translucent veil, revealing the molecular outflow from an otherwise hidden newborn star. Using near-infrared light, Spitzer pierces through the dark cloud to detect the embedded outflow in an object called HH 46/47. Herbig-Haro (HH) objects are bright, nebulous regions of gas and dust that are usually buried within dark clouds. They are formed when supersonic gas ejected from a forming protostar, or embryonic star, interacts with the surrounding interstellar medium. These young stars are often detected only in the infrared. The Spitzer image was obtained with the infrared array camera. Emission at 3.6 microns is shown as blue, emission from 4.5 and 5.8 microns has been combined as green, and 8.0 micron emission is depicted as red. HH 46/47 is a striking example of a low mass protostar ejecting a jet and creating a bipolar, or two-sided, outflow. The central protostar lies inside a dark cloud (known as a 'Bok globule') which is illuminated by the nearby Gum Nebula. Located at a distance of 1140 light-years and found in the constellation Vela, the protostar is hidden from view in the visible-light image (inset). With Spitzer, the star and its dazzling jets of molecular gas appear with clarity. The 8-micron channel of the infrared array camera is sensitive to emission from polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. These organic molecules, comprised of carbon and hydrogen, are excited by the surrounding radiation field and become luminescent, accounting for the reddish cloud. Note that the boundary layer of the 8-micron emission corresponds to the lower right edge of the dark cloud in the visible-light picture. Outflows are fascinating objects, since they characterize one of the most energetic phases of the formation of low-mass stars (like our Sun). The jets arising from these protostars can reach sizes of trillions of miles and velocities of hundreds of thousands miles per hour. Outflows are clear evidence of the presence of a process that creates supersonic beams of gas. This mechanism is tightly bound to the presence of circumstellar discs which surround the young stars. Such discs are likely to contain the materials from which planetary systems form. Our Sun probably underwent a similar process some 4.5 billion years ago. Hence the interest in understanding how quickly and efficiently this mass accretion and loss process takes place in protostars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- HH46/47 (cosmogeological explanations) NOTE: This is not exploded stars by inner forces. Usually they have round shell. This is hit between star and dark High-dense nebula. multi-stage separated debris of black hole ultra dense nucleus are demolishing and expanding rapidly. this is reason of dark High-dense nebula formation. There are very many black holes wandering near the galaxy plane. http://www.cosmogeology.ge/chapter-9.htm They are great problem for gravitational order of the galaxy and dangerous visitors in the plane of stars. I find one of the excellent images of dangerous event. In the image Unwrapping the Pillars is observational confirmation. http://sscws1.ipac.caltech.edu/Imagegallery/image.php?image_name=ssc2007-01d http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap970119.html Image HH 46/47 from NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope transforms a dark cloud into a silky translucent veil, revealing the molecular outflow after hit of star and dark high-dense nebula. Using near-infrared light, Spitzer pierces through the dark cloud to detect the embedded outflow in an object called HH 46/47. Herbig-Haro (HH) objects are bright, nebulous regions of gas and dust that are usually buried within dark clouds. They are formed when supersonic gas ejected after hit of star and dark high-dense nebula. the surrounding shell of remnants is formed by debris of ultra dense nucleus. Usually multi-stage separated debris of ultra dense nucleus are demolishing and expanding rapidly. These hit events are often detected only in the infrared through nuclear clouds. http://ipac.jpl.nasa.gov/web_movies/pa/ssc2003-06v4.wmv The Spitzer image was obtained with the infrared array camera. Emission at 3.6 microns is shown as blue, emission from 4.5 and 5.8 microns has been combined as green, and 8.0 micron emission is depicted as red. HH 46/47 is a striking example between of star and dark high-dense nebula ejecting a jet and creating a bipolar, or two-sided, outflow. The centre of catastrophe lies inside a dark cloud (known as a 'Bok globule') which is illuminated by the nearby Gum Nebula. Located at a distance of 1140 light-years and found in the constellation Vela, the centre of catastrophe is hidden from view in the visible-light image (inset). With Spitzer, the centre of catastrophe and its dazzling jets of molecular gas appear with clarity. The 8-micron channel of the infrared array camera is sensitive to emission from polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (nuclear synthesis reactions). These organic molecules, comprised of carbon and hydrogen, are excited by the surrounding radiation field and become luminescent, accounting for the reddish cloud. Note that the boundary layer of the 8-micron emission corresponds to the lower right edge of the dark cloud in the visible-light picture. Outflows are fascinating objects; since they characterize one of the most energetic beginning phases of the formation recycling small nebulas. The jets arising from these centre of catastrophe can reach sizes of trillions of miles and velocities of hundreds of thousands miles per hour. Outflows are clear evidence of the presence of a process that creates supersonic beams of gas. This mechanism is not bound to the presence of circumstellar discs which surround the exploded stars (pulsars). Such discs are likely to contain rapid expending shell of star’s core. The jet material can from interstellar planetary mass objects. Any remaining doubts about planetary systems forming directly from spiral galaxy nucleus were further reduced by Wolszczan’s 1994 report of rocky, Earth-like planets orbiting pulsar PSR 1257+12. (pulsar is ultra-dense nucleus and remnant core of exploded star. According by many evidence it mainly consist of neutrons (neutron star). Debris of the ultra dense nucleus (core) are not stabile and rapid demolishing creates enormous high-dense nuclear and molecular black clouds "branches" “Unwrapping Pillars” within galaxy. Evidence in the link above. Core (ultra dense nucleus) has about 90-99% of whole planetary system mass. PSR 1257+12 is reason of very interesting conclusions. 1. Star was exploded but planets were survived. 2. Shell of core has insignificant mass of whole stellar system, because planets are orbiting pulsar still. 3. Rapidly extending shell of low-dense gasses does not create planets because They were existing by explosion time. 4. SUPERNOVA’S CORE IS NOT Fe-RICH REMNANT, IT IS ULTRA DENSE NUCLEUS AND MAINLY CONSIST OF NEUTRONS ONLY. 5. BLACK HOLE IS COOLED PULSAR (NEITRON STAR) There are many wrong data and researches about formation of stars Stars are not forming into nebulas! There are not “embryonic stars”. They are activated stars. Stars are gravitated remnants of exploded stars (light, heavy, super heavy elements and admixtures). This is source of additional huge spot masses (light, heavy, super heavy elements and admixtures) and additional rapid variation brightness. Because the glowing star is alike of an “Embryonic star”… http://ipac.jpl.nasa.gov/media_images/ssc2003-06a2.jpg Look attentively at the picture. You can find enormous hole in the nebula (remnant of a star). Ok. I’ve believed the old scientific fairy-tale about formation of a stars. Ok. Star is formed in the hole. Why other parts of nebula exist still? Why still are not formed stars there? This is observational evidence for open minds only! Where is truth? COSMOGEOLOGYCAL (or modern cosmological) EXPLANATION! Rapid expanding Shell of an exploded star has different velocity Relatively of nearest surrounded stars. The shell could cross nearest star and formed enormous hole. Of coarse star has gravitated surrounded nuclear cloud and created the hole. For open minds I’ve proved that – The stars are not formed into nebula! Where the stars are forming in the galaxy? Where is the parent star? There is only one main space coordinate in the spiral galaxy. CENTRE!!! Our Sun probably underwent an eruption process from SGN (spiral galaxy nucleus) some 5 billion years ago. Hence the interest in understanding how quickly and efficiently this mass accretion and loss process takes place in the centre of SGN. Everything you can understand- in the link- http://www.cosmogeology.ge/chapter-28.htm Truth victorious! I’m continuing publication for open minds, because young generation of scientists has to know truth how stars are forming in the universe. LETTER N 2 http://sscws1.ipac.caltech.edu/Imagegallery/image.php?image_name=ssc2005-23a http://ipac.jpl.nasa.gov/media_images/ssc2005-23b1.jpg What is this??? Is this a remnant of exploded star? Is this a remnant of exploded interstellar planetary mass object? Is this a remnant of black hole? They are main catastrophes in the spiral galaxy. First and second are so small for the event. There are discovered few black holes moving across the galaxy plane. It means, there are a lot of black holes orbiting our galaxy. Could ever a black hole moving across the plane hit a star or another black hole? -Of course! Small amount of stars could survive catastrophes exploded galaxies. Remnant of the stars are traveling in the inter-galaxy space and sometimes are perturbing gravitational order of the galaxies. http://www.nrao.edu/pr/2001/blackhole/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1541964.stm Heic0211a-Black hole hurtling across the plane of the Milky Way Heic0211b-Black hole hurtling across the plane of the Milky Way Heic0211c-Hubble Space Telescope image shows the Year 2001 observation of the black hole system GRO J1655-40 in the constellation of Scorpius Spitzer’s image IRAC vividly shows that, what is inside multi stage separated neutron clouds. http://ipac.jpl.nasa.gov/media_images/ssc2005-23a1.jpg Yes. You can see excellent image of very dangerous catastrophe made by black hole. Towering Infernos (explanation of NASA) This majestic false-color image from NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope shows the "mountains" where stars are born. Dubbed "Mountains of Creation" by Spitzer scientists, these towering pillars of cool gas and dust are illuminated at their tips with light from warm, embryonic stars. The new infrared picture is reminiscent of Hubble's iconic visible-light image of the Eagle Nebula (inset), which also features a star-forming region, or nebula, that is being sculpted into pillars by radiation and winds from hot, massive stars. The pillars in the Spitzer image are part of a region called W5, in the Cassiopeia constellation 7,000 light-years away and 50 light-years across. They are more than 10 times in the size of those in the Eagle Nebula (shown to scale here). The Spitzer's view differs from Hubble's because infrared light penetrates dust, whereas visible light is blocked by it. In the Spitzer image, hundreds of forming stars (white/yellow) can seen for the first time inside the central pillar, and dozens inside the tall pillar to the left. Scientists believe these star clusters were triggered into existence by radiation and winds from an "initiator" star more than 10 times the mass of our Sun. This star is not pictured, but the finger-like pillars "point" toward its location above the image frame. The Spitzer picture also reveals stars (blue) a bit older than the ones in the pillar tips in the evacuated areas between the clouds. Scientists believe these stars were born around the same time as the massive initiator star not pictured. A third group of young stars occupies the bright area below the central pillar. It is not known whether these stars formed in a related or separate event. Some of the blue dots are foreground stars that are not members of this nebula. The red color in the Spitzer image represents organic molecules known as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. These building blocks of life are often found in star-forming clouds of gas and dust. Like small dust grains, they are heated by the light from the young stars, and then emit energy in infrared wavelengths. This image was taken by the Infrared Array Camera (IRAC) on Spitzer. It is a 4-color composite of infrared light, showing emissions from wavelengths of 3.6 microns (blue), 4.5 microns (green), 5.8 microns (orange), and 8.0 microns (red). -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The towering nuclear and molecular nebula. (cosmogeological explanation) This majestic false-color image from NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope shows the "nuclear and molecular Mountains" where stars are "feeding". Dubbed "Mountains of Creation" by Spitzer scientists, these towering pillars of cool neutrons, protons and molecular admixtures are illuminated at their tips with light from warm, feeding stars. http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap970119.html The new infrared picture is reminiscent of Hubble's iconic visible-light image of the Eagle Nebula (inset), which also features a star-feeding region; stars are gravitating nuclear and molecular wind into pillars. The pillars in the Spitzer image are part of a region called W5, in the Cassiopeia constellation 7,000 light-years away and 50 light-years across. They are more than 10 times in the size of those in the Eagle Nebula (shown to scale here). The Spitzer's view differs from Hubble's because infrared light penetrates dust, whereas visible light is blocked by it. In the Spitzer image, hundreds of feeding stars (white/yellow) can seen for the first time inside the central pillar, and dozens inside the tall pillar to the left. Scientists can not believe still, these star clusters are moving through pillars only. Many of them are not pictured, because they are deep into pillars. Where is debris of ultra-dense nucleuses? The finger-like pillars "point" toward its location above the image frame. They are moving as the space-shuttle. The event is observational evidence, small ultra-dense debris are not stabile nucleuses, because they are undergone rapidly multi-stage demolition. Free neutrons and protons are creating huge dark high-dense clouds in the space. The Spitzer picture also reveals stars (blue) a bit colorlessness than the ones in the pillar tips in the evacuated areas between the clouds. Scientists can not believe still these stars have finished feeding. A third group of glowing stars occupies the bright area below the central pillar. It is not known whether these stars have any participation in the feeding. Some of the blue dots are foreground stars that are not members of this nebula. The red color in the Spitzer image represents organic molecules known as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. These building blocks of life are often found in star-forming clouds of gas and dust. Like small dust grains, they are heated by the light from the "young" stars, and then emit energy in infrared wavelengths. It means into neutron nebula is huge process formation of chemical elements (nuclear synthesis reactions) and admixtures. This image was taken by the Infrared Array Camera (IRAC) on Spitzer. It is a 4-color composite of infrared light, showing emissions from wavelengths of 3.6 microns (blue), 4.5 microns (green), 5.8 microns (orange), and 8.0 microns (red). Revolution in the Astronomy in the link: http://www.cosmogeology.ge/chapter-28.htm Truth is easy to explain. Truth is victorious!
Dr.CWho Posted January 17, 2008 Posted January 17, 2008 I know the Hubble has shown some spectacular shots of star systems forming within the Orion Nebula. One shows the star and planets already formed. Just below it there's a new forming star system that shows the planets, but the star hasn't ignited as of then. It seems the smaller bodies cool, coalesce and radiate photons befoer the star does. That's NASA's work. Seems viable from my frame of reference. Dr. CWho
K. Margiani Posted January 18, 2008 Author Posted January 18, 2008 LETTER N 3 Spinning Top Star, L1157 (EXPLANATION OF NASA) Link-L1157 http://sscws1.ipac.caltech.edu/Imagegallery/image.php?image_name=ssc2007-19a A rare, infrared view of a developing star and its flaring jets taken by NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope (right) shows us what our own solar system might have looked like billions of years ago. In visible light, this star and its surrounding regions are completely hidden in darkness (left). Stars form out of spinning clouds, or envelopes, of gas and dust. As the envelopes flatten and collapse, jets of gas stream outward and a swirling disk of planet-forming material takes shape around the forming star. Eventually, the envelope and jets disappear, leaving a newborn star with a suite of planets. This process takes millions of years. The Spitzer image shows a developing sun-like star, called L1157, that is only thousands of years old (for comparison, our solar system is around 4.5 billion years old). Why is the young system only visible in infrared light? The answer has to do with the fact that stars are born in the darkest and dustiest corners of space, where little visible light can escape. But the heat, or infrared light, of an object can be detected through the dust. In Spitzer's infrared view of L1157, the star itself is hidden but its envelope is visible in silhouette as a thick black bar. While Spitzer can peer through this region's dust, it cannot penetrate the envelope itself. Hence, the envelope appears black. The thickest part of the envelope can be seen as the black line crossing the giant jets. This L1157 portrait provides the first clear look at stellar envelope that has begun to flatten. The color white shows the hottest parts of the jets, with temperatures around 100 degrees Celsius (212 degrees Fahrenheit). Most of the material in the jets, seen in orange, is roughly zero degrees on the Celsius and Fahrenheit scales. The reddish haze all around the picture is dust. The white dots are other stars, mostly in the background. L1157 is located 800 light-years away in the constellation Cepheus. The Spitzer image was taken by the telescope's infrared array camera. Infrared light of 8 microns is colored red; 4.5-micron infrared light is green; and 3.6-micron infrared light is blue. The visible-light picture is from the Palomar Observatory-Space Telescope Science Institute Digitized Sky Survey. Blue visible light is blue; red visible light is green, and near-infrared light is red. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Spinning Top Star, L1157 (COSMOGEOLOGICAL EXPLANATION) Image-L1157 http://ipac.jpl.nasa.gov/media_images/ssc2007-19b.jpg What is this? - There is hit star to the high-dense nebula (cool nuclear and molecular remnant rapid demolished debris of ultra dense nucleus) Video-L1157 http://ipac.jpl.nasa.gov/web_movies/pa/ssc2007-19v1_full.wmv A rare, infrared view of a activated star and its flaring jets taken by NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope shows a activated sun-like star, called L1157. In visible light, this star and its surrounding regions are completely hidden in darkness. Bipolar, or two-sided, outflow is from poles of the star. Rapidly extended beams waves formed visible in silhouette as a thick black dust bar. Thick dark dust silhouette begun flatten to the star's equatorial plane. There is not "envelope". This is cool dust plane of enormous nuclear and molecular masses that are almost flatten by huge explosions in the equatorial plane. While Spitzer can peer through this region's dust, it cannot penetrate the thick dust plane itself. Hence, the plane appears black. The thickest part of the plane can be seen as the black line crossing the giant jets. Dust thick plane is formed when extending nuclear gas ejected from star poles interacts with the surrounding interstellar medium. This L1157 portrait is very interesting. The color white shows the hottest parts of the jets, with temperatures around 100 degrees Celsius (212 degrees Fahrenheit). Most of the material in the jets, seen in orange, is roughly zero degrees on the Celsius and Fahrenheit scales. The reddish haze all around the picture is dust. The white dots are other stars, mostly in the background but there is sensational discovery. Yes, white dots are other stars mostly, but what about another thick white dots or spots? With Spitzer, the star and its dazzling jets of molecular gas appear with clarity. Of course MOLECULAR GAS. How the enormous molecular masses are formed into L1157 or HH46/47 ??? 1. to the end separated enormous old end new molecular beams of L1157 we can observe very interesting small spots. No, they are not stars. separated molecular streams to the end can create thick concentration of molecular masses. It means proto-planetary masses(interstellar proto-planetary mass objects). 2. to the end one of the enormous molecular beams HH46/47, we can observe very interesting giant spot. Moving to the end of enormous molecular beam has almost round probe tip configuration. This is not a star, because we can observe with Spitzer only. Of course the "probe" is giant concentration of molecular masses. Of course we discovered proto-planetary mass of giant interstellar proto-planetary mass object. Image -HH46/47 - http://ipac.jpl.nasa.gov/media_images/sig07-022.jpg Video -HH46/47 - http://ipac.jpl.nasa.gov/web_movies/pa/ssc2003-06v4.wmv Both activated stars are strong evidence recycling within galaxy. Orbiting galaxy centre stars can recycling cool nebula and formation of interstellar fiery planets. It means cool, extension thick molecular dust masses can not form planets. Only fiery thick concentrated molecular masses can form planets without permanent extension. * After hit to the high-dense nebula, abundance light elements and the lighter isotopes of each element in the convection streams of stars are changing. Huge masses gravitated by star into thick high-dense nuclear and molecular*clouds create enormous masses of heavy elements. Abundance light elements are changing by abundance of heavy elements into shell (convection streams). Within shell is beginning huge processes of nuclear synthesis reactions. Compact little masses of super-heavy elements are exploding separately. Permanently mixing super-heavy elements into convection streams star prevent giant explosion but sometimes it happen. Strong magnetic field fully prevent explosion of compact little masses of super-heavy elements to the poles There is Abundance super-heavy elements and its isotopes in the convection streams before super-giant explosion especially to the magnetic poles because enormous amount of ionized super-heavy elements are gathered to the magnetic poles. There are gathered enormous amount heavy and super-heavy atoms sorted by mass. concentration additional super heavy atoms to the poles is reason of catastrophic explosion from poles… Strong magnetic field could not prevent additional enormous amount of super-heavy elements into surrounded volume of poles and event was begun… We can see results only... I try explain clue formation of variable stars; - *eta-Carinae, *L1157, *HH46/47 *and similar events. I recommended you to read research in the link http://www.cosmogeology.ge/chapter-28.htm *you can understand everything… Truth is easy to explain. Truth is victorious!
JohnB Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 One shows the star and planets already formed. Just below it there's a new forming star system that shows the planets, but the star hasn't ignited as of then. You wouldn't have a link to that pic, would you? Sounds incredible.
Dr.CWho Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 JohnB, I'll look for a link, nonetheless it can be found in a Hubble album entitled "The Hubble Space Telescope" (if I recall correctly) available at most public libraries. Incredible? I find it fascinating... Dr. CWho
swansont Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 I know the Hubble has shown some spectacular shots of star systems forming within the Orion Nebula. One shows the star and planets already formed. Just below it there's a new forming star system that shows the planets, but the star hasn't ignited as of then. It seems the smaller bodies cool, coalesce and radiate photons befoer the star does. That's NASA's work. Seems viable from my frame of reference. Dr. CWho M42 is 1200+ LY away, and the Hubble resolution is about 0.1 arcseconds, so you can resolve things, at that distance, no better than ~5 x 10^9 km. I don't think anybody sees planets directly in any telescope. http://www.seds.org/messier/more/m042_hst2.html
Dr.CWho Posted January 19, 2008 Posted January 19, 2008 I don't think anybody sees planets directly in any telescope. So? What's the point? You discount the Hubble views or the data interpretations?
iNow Posted January 19, 2008 Posted January 19, 2008 I don't think anybody sees planets directly in any telescope. So? What's the point? You discount the Hubble views or the data interpretations? The point is that the statement you made doesn't seem to hold water, and you have yet to provide an actual source or citation to support it. Until you do, it would be best to disregard the following comment you made as it isn't anything more than a baseless statement until that supporting evidence is presented: I know the Hubble has shown some spectacular shots of star systems forming within the Orion Nebula. One shows the star and planets already formed. Just below it there's a new forming star system that shows the planets, but the star hasn't ignited as of then. <emphasis mine>
swansont Posted January 19, 2008 Posted January 19, 2008 I don't think anybody sees planets directly in any telescope. So? What's the point? You discount the Hubble views or the data interpretations? Show me the Hubble views. The ones I linked to did not show, and could not possibly show, individual planets.
K. Margiani Posted January 20, 2008 Author Posted January 20, 2008 letter N 4 Now we can see vividly gaseouss concentrated interstellar proto-planetary mass objects (letter N 3) (Mathematical scenario hit Sun-like star to the high-dense nebula, nuclear and molecular remnant of rapidly extend ultra-dense nucleus debris). 1. Nuclear, molecular remnant of a ultra dense nucleus debris has abundance heavy elements and approximately density 0.5 gr. is in the Cubic meter. 2. Mass of the Sun. M=2 x (10) 30 kg. 3. Diameter. r=696,000,000 m. 4. Approximately mass of Sun shell is 1÷2 %. We can use approximately mass of the shell. m = 4 x (10) 28 kg; Main mass of the Sun is concentrated within ultra-dense nucleus. After star explosion planets are continuing orbiting ultra-dense nucleus (pulsar). 5. Orbiting velocity of the Sun is approximately 250 kilometers per second. 6. Orbiting approximately distance is 7,884,000,000,000 meter per year. 7. Nebula has opposite direction and approximately velocity is 1000 kilometers per second. 8. Mass of gravitated particles by Sun like star only within the distance: M=5 x (7,884,000,000,000 x 3.14 x 696,000,000 x 696,000,000 x 0, 5)= 2.99 x (10) 28 kg Moving through nebula Sun-like star could capture enormous nuclear and molecular masses of surrounded space. I don’t use into consideration the additional masses. Masses within opposite direction nebula (Sun volume tip configuration) are quite enough for activation the star. Captured nebula mass has main mass in the shell masses. 1. It means abundance light elements and lighter isotopes in the shell will change by abundance heavy elements and heavy isotopes. 2. It means beginning formation of enormous masses super-heavy elements and isotopes of each elements by nuclear-syntheses reaction. 3. It means the spots will cover star surface fully. 4. It means unbelievable activity and rapid variation brightness of the star. 5. It means the variable star’s activity is closely connected to the super-heavy nucleuses sorted by masses in the deep interior of the spots. 6. It means giant nuclear explosions all over the Sun. 7. It means formation enormous amount of super-heavy nucleuses to the magnetic poles. (letter N 3) 8. It means super-giant molecular jets from the poles. 9. It means formation interstellar proto-planetary mass objects of any size. http://ipac.jpl.nasa.gov/media_images/ssc2007-19b.jpg http://ipac.jpl.nasa.gov/media_images/sig07-022.jpg 10. It means revolution in the astronomy.
Sayonara Posted January 21, 2008 Posted January 21, 2008 K. Margiani, please specify which part of your post/s you want us to question, critique, or otherwise discuss. Otherwise you are simply making a proclamation, and there are more appropriate places for that kind of thing.
K. Margiani Posted January 22, 2008 Author Posted January 22, 2008 K. Margiani, please specify which part of your post/s you want us to question, critique, or otherwise discuss. Otherwise you are simply making a proclamation, and there are more appropriate places for that kind of thing. -My soul is so light to carry the heavy speculations from my grave. -Future is always true judge. Today's Research, Tomorrow's Reality. -I’m waiting questions. -why proclamation? Intellectual speculations would be closer.
Phi for All Posted January 22, 2008 Posted January 22, 2008 -My soul is so light to carry the heavy speculations from my grave. Are burdens from the grave the responsibility of the living?-Future is always true judge. Today's Research, Tomorrow's Reality.Even if the reality is that the research was wrong.-I’m waiting questions.-why proclamation? Intellectual speculations would be closer. It's not a speculation if you make a statement. This is a discussion forum and it makes it difficult when a proclamation or statement is posed for discussion. Speculation, supposition, hypothesis, these are what drives discussion. What you are trying to do is more like a teacher informing students what they must learn. Please phrase your suppositions so we can discuss your thesis rather than have you tell us why we must believe.
Sayonara Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 -My soul is so light to carry the heavy speculations from my grave. We have a particularly dense kind of grave here, from which no soul can escape no matter how light. That is exactly where this thread is destined to go if it can't serve a purpose.
JohnB Posted January 27, 2008 Posted January 27, 2008 Swansont, thanks for that link. I find it amazing and humbling that we can watch a star system form. We have a particularly dense kind of grave here, from which no soul can escape no matter how light. So......, does that mean hell is a black hole?
Daecon Posted February 1, 2008 Posted February 1, 2008 No, Hell is the void space behind the black hole.
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