-Demosthenes- Posted March 8, 2004 Posted March 8, 2004 I saw this one show on the science channel or Discovery about a monkey named Oliver. They thought it might be half human. It that possible?
fafalone Posted March 8, 2004 Posted March 8, 2004 No, it's not possible unless such a creature was genetically engineered. Naturally reproducing the chromosomes simply wouldn't match up.
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted March 8, 2004 Posted March 8, 2004 Haven't you seen the Bat Boy in the Weekly World News? Seriously, even if it was possible, the PETA would try and get it banned. Who knows what would come out?
psi20 Posted March 8, 2004 Posted March 8, 2004 I believe interspecies mating is possible. I saw an animal planet documentary where hmm i forget, two horse-like animals mated and a hybrid was born. I forget what two species.
fafalone Posted March 8, 2004 Posted March 8, 2004 A male horse and a female donkey produce a mule; which is because their species diverged not too long ago. Most (99.999%+) mules are sterile. However this is a special case and the vast majority of species cannot interbreed.
psi20 Posted March 8, 2004 Posted March 8, 2004 Oh the monkey named Oliver! I remember that monkey. Smart as heck and could walk upright. But then he started attacking someone or something and is now a nobody.
iglak Posted March 8, 2004 Posted March 8, 2004 here is a bunch of hybrids. <edit> i don't know for sure, but i thought mules were actually quite commonly fertile, for hybrids. i thought that about 1 in 30 were fertile.
fafalone Posted March 8, 2004 Posted March 8, 2004 1 in 30 seems awefully high... we actually worked out the genetic basis for their infertility and the statistical chance of them being fertile... not so high.
fafalone Posted March 8, 2004 Posted March 8, 2004 I'm not sure about a hinny (female horse and male donkey), but I doubt those would be 1/30 either.
Radical Edward Posted March 8, 2004 Posted March 8, 2004 fafalone said in post # :No, it's not possible unless such a creature was genetically engineered. Naturally reproducing the chromosomes simply wouldn't match up. like in Horses and Zebra perhaps? or Horses and Donkeys? How about lion and tigers, and false whales/dolphins? When we look at the karyotypes of the different horse varieties there are much larger differences than between humans and chimps. The difference is not so much the magnitude of the differences, but the specificities. Is there anything in the sperm/egg function or the embryological formation of a chimp/human hybrid that would render it inviable?
-Demosthenes- Posted March 8, 2004 Author Posted March 8, 2004 My neighbor, who is a professor, said that it would be possible.
Crash Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 Originally posted by Radical Edward How about lion and tigers, you mean ligers? i seen then on discovery channel an id love to get a PHD in "or something"
atinymonkey Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 -Demosthenes- said in post # :My neighbor, who is a professor, said that it would be possible. Did he say that, give you stange look and carry on peeling your banana?
fafalone Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 Radical Edward said in post # : like in Horses and Zebra perhaps? or Horses and Donkeys? How about lion and tigers, and false whales/dolphins? When we look at the karyotypes of the different horse varieties there are much larger differences than between humans and chimps. The difference is not so much the magnitude of the differences, but the specificities. Is there anything in the sperm/egg function or the embryological formation of a chimp/human hybrid that would render it inviable? Well the biggest obstacle is the different number of chromosomes, particularly since this involves chromosome #2 in humans (aka very large), since chimps lack a compatible second chromosome, it would result in a monosomy; monosomy 2 has never been reported to survive more than a few hours.
Pinch Paxton Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 The monkey wasn't half human in the end, but I think that each species reaches a mutation stage, a stage where the species all suffer from matching gene mutations, at this time in their evolution, they might be able to mate with many similar creatures. We would be required to mate with chimps, but I believe that we will not reach our mutation cycle due to cloning. If it is true that we reach a mutation stage to evolve, then us humans are never going to evolve any further than the point that we have reached now. We are not likely to mate with chimps, so we are not likely to evolve into anything else. This is just another of my wild theories to be ignored. Pincho.
Pinch Paxton Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 I guess, based on simularities between species, then a gene comparison.
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 atinymonkey said in post # : Did he say that, give you stange look and carry on peeling your banana? Monkeys don't peel bananas before eating them. We would be required to mate with chimps, but I believe that we will not reach our mutation cycle due to cloning. CLONING? Who's cloning? If it is true that we reach a mutation stage to evolve, then us humans are never going to evolve any further than the point that we have reached now. We are not likely to mate with chimps, so we are not likely to evolve into anything else. No, we just mutate when we feel like it, as shown by genetic defects at birth. It's evolution that failed, it came out bad.
psi20 Posted March 10, 2004 Posted March 10, 2004 If we just mutate when we feel like it, does that mean that if i continually sky dive, and my children sky dive, and their children sky dive, one day, our family will have bones fragile enough to lift off and fly?
Radical Edward Posted March 10, 2004 Posted March 10, 2004 fafalone said in post # : Well the biggest obstacle is the different number of chromosomes, particularly since this involves chromosome #2 in humans (aka very large), since chimps lack a compatible second chromosome, it would result in a monosomy; monosomy 2 has never been reported to survive more than a few hours. oh look: human--chimp--gorilla--orang utan. I always think that is a great picture. ok, so the hybrid might not survive very long, but it might still be carried to term though. I have tried looking up monosomy 2 and couldn't find much.
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