J the E Posted March 27, 2008 Posted March 27, 2008 I would assume that afro hair developed as a way of protecting against UV radiation. My question is, why didn't any other mammals develop a similar style of hair? It seems odd that only humans developed this trait.
PhDP Posted March 27, 2008 Posted March 27, 2008 According to Molnar's "Human Variation"; "The adaptive signifiance of hair form is not understood, but it is likely that certain forms, woolly or spiral, allow for an air space between the scalp and the outer edges that insulates the head from the intensity of the sun's heat in the tropics"
lucaspa Posted March 27, 2008 Posted March 27, 2008 The assumption is probably invalid. After all, humans have so little hair that having it kinky is not going to provide enough protection from UV. UV breaks down folate (a B vitamin) and the result of too little folate is neural tube defects during embryogenesis -- babies are born with seriously impaired CNS. We don't know the adaptive advantage (if there is one) of kinky hair. Since humans went thru a severe bottleneck in population about 150,000 years ago, this may simply be a result of genetic drift and a feature getting fixed by accident in a small population. 1
Solarcat Posted March 29, 2008 Posted March 29, 2008 To really understand hair you have to watch the movie.
ecoli Posted March 29, 2008 Posted March 29, 2008 I read somewhere that some racial features. ex - hair thickness, nose width, eye shape... were probably sexually selected traits.
blazarwolf Posted September 18, 2008 Posted September 18, 2008 Im not very sure of the properties of "Afro hair", but me thinks it may be selective via a way of trapping moisture like a sponge to aid in cooling.
TrickyPeach Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 Could it be because animals don't need it? The hair could be a fluke or it could be a barrier to UV radiation, protecting the head, which makes sense since it's the most exposed to the sun and contains the brain. I read the Wikipedia article it's pretty good.
SH3RL0CK Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 I would assume that afro hair developed as a way of protecting against UV radiation. My question is, why didn't any other mammals develop a similar style of hair? It seems odd that only humans developed this trait. Umm...how exactly is wool not a similar trait? (FYI, I was unable to open the link you provided, so if there is an explaination there, I would appreciate if you could summarize here).
blazarwolf Posted October 3, 2008 Posted October 3, 2008 Im not very sure of the properties of "Afro hair", but me thinks it may be selective via a way of trapping moisture like a sponge to aid in cooling. Wow I feel like a retard and smart at the same time... I clicked the link and it was the first discription of selective possibilitys..... damn... retard
BlackPower Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 Just out of curiosity...................what would the advantage of having thin strait hair be?
blazarwolf Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 (edited) Just out of curiosity...................what would the advantage of having thin strait hair be? Since i was so keen the first time.. Ill guess. Afro hair cant grow down the shoulders.. it may help in heat retention... I would guess it has to do alot with sexual selection though.. Cuacasions people dont tend to be attracted to afro hair that much... and maybe a Afrikaner can chime in, but they probably still love strait hair. Perhaps this can be seen sociologically with the 1920's ish style where black people would straigten there hair? aka sugar ray robinson (and many more, those that watch tv/movies should get this) Edited October 6, 2008 by blazarwolf I concluded Cauc's and Afrikaner are the most logical discriptors
EastNamibianSpaceMiningCo Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 On 9/18/2008 at 4:23 AM, blazarwolf said: Im not very sure of the properties of "Afro hair", but me thinks it may be selective via a way of trapping moisture like a sponge to aid in cooling. If that were the case, then wouldn't other primates have had this same/similar hair texture? Not convinced, not convinced at all...
mistermack Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 On 10/8/2019 at 9:45 PM, EastNamibianSpaceMiningCo said: If that were the case, then wouldn't other primates have had this same/similar hair texture? Not convinced, not convinced at all... We do. The hair around my groin is much more Afro than the hair on my head. It's also thicker. So much so, that we humans have evolved two different types of lice. Head lice, or nits, adapted to head hair, and pubic lice, or crabs, for the groin. Pubic lice need hair of a greater diameter to cling to, so you find them mainly on the pubes, but sometimes on the eyebrows and (I think) armpits. But they can't live on head hair, it's too thin. And it's pretty much vice-versa for the nits. DNA studies indicate that the nits colonised humans first, and that the crabs are descended later from Gorilla lice, which found a home on the thicker hair around human pubes. Like you, I'm not convinced by the sponge idea above. Trapping moisture would inhibit cooling, by preventing evaporation. Instead of cooling, the sweat is more likely to run off as a liquid. Bare skin would lose the most heat from the body. Moisture that evaporates off a hair takes more heat from the ambient air rather than the blood, whereas moisture evaporating off bare skin cools the blood. There are lots of ideas why hair grows this way or that, but nobody knows for sure. I think it's probably down to sexual selection. There is a tendency to select what you grew up with as being most attractive. But there's another tendency to be attracted to the "exotic". And having said that, sex is so strong an instinct that easily overrides such tendencies and can make them pretty irrelevant.
StringJunky Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 Quote Clarence (2012) suggests that afro-textured hair may have initially evolved because of an adaptive need amongst humans' early hominid ancestors for protection against the intense UV radiation of the sun in Africa.[11] With regard to the hypothesized recent African origin of modern humans, the author argues that afro-textured hair was the original hair texture of all modern humans prior to the "Out-of-Africa" migration that populated the rest of the globe.[11] According to Clarence (2012), afro-textured hair may have been adaptive for the earliest modern humans in Africa because the relatively sparse density of such hair, combined with its elastic helix shape, results in an airy effect. The resulting increased circulation of cool air onto the scalp may have thus served to facilitate the body-temperature-regulation system of hominids while they lived on the open savannah.[11] Afro-hair requires more moisture than straight hair and tends to shrink when dry. Instead of sticking to the neck and scalp when damp (as do straighter textures), unless completely drenched it tends to retain its basic springiness. The trait may have been retained and/or preferred among many anatomically modern populations in equatorial areas, such as Polynesians, Micronesians, Melanesians, Australoids and the Negrito, because of its contribution to enhanced comfort levels under tropical climate conditions.[11] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-textured_hair 1
Koyama Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) Woolly hair, straight hair, orange hair, white skin, black skin are all archaic elements that introgressed into Sapiens from hominids who lived on a much more extreme earth. Early Sapiens would have had a uniform skin tone as his new mutations became stable and fixed in his genome. Sapiens is too young of a species, and historically too low in numbers to have accumulated so many appearance changing mutations. Neanderthal altered the Europeans, Denisova and Neanderthal the Asians, and Erectus brought the black skin and woolly hair to the African. Possibly affected African brain growth factors as well. Edited June 18, 2020 by Koyama
iNow Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 6 hours ago, Koyama said: Possibly affected African brain growth factors as well. Please elaborate
Strange Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 6 hours ago, Koyama said: Woolly hair, straight hair, orange hair, white skin, black skin are all archaic elements that introgressed into Sapiens from hominids who lived on a much more extreme earth. Early Sapiens would have had a uniform skin tone as his new mutations became stable and fixed in his genome. Sapiens is too young of a species, and historically too low in numbers to have accumulated so many appearance changing mutations. Neanderthal altered the Europeans, Denisova and Neanderthal the Asians, and Erectus brought the black skin and woolly hair to the African. Possibly affected African brain growth factors as well. ! Moderator Note As this is a science forum, you need to provide some references to support these claims.
Koyama Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 10 hours ago, iNow said: Please elaborate You already know that Neanderthal genes were weeded out and what remains of him in us are immunity defense genes, skin changes and brain changes from neanderthal genes in the microcephlin region. The Neanderthal variant increases "growth factors" and size. A larger brain may result in greater intelligence,.. or higher rates of mental problems. The ghost population in Africans could have had a similar effect, or opposite. But doubtful that a 6%-8% introgression had no effect. 9 hours ago, Strange said: ! Moderator Note As this is a science forum, you need to provide some references to support these claims. 9 hours ago, Strange said: ! Moderator Note As this is a science forum, you need to provide some references to support these claims. I had no idea that every thought must be referenced. None of my comments are cutting edge or new. The original research studies have been cited 100's of times. Most of my comment can be found on WIKI. All I have done is taken in all information I find on the subject and come to a conclusion. Yes it is speculative. But to wait for 20 proofs puts your mindset way behind the curve. Your club does not want to hash my idea around? Could they not have fun ripping my theory apart? I wrote it for your entertainment,.. and challenge you to prove it wrong.
CharonY Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 The role of MCPH1 is far more complicated (i.e. no relationship between the gene locus and cognitive abilities have been found). But in this context I am fairly sure that while it was speculated to have originated by interbreeding with neanderthals, the draft genome of neanderthals has refuted that notion (or at least did not support it).
iNow Posted June 19, 2020 Posted June 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Koyama said: I wrote it for your entertainment,.. and challenge you to prove it wrong That’s not how it works here. The onus is on the person making the claim to support it
Strange Posted June 19, 2020 Posted June 19, 2020 11 hours ago, Koyama said: I had no idea that every thought must be referenced. None of my comments are cutting edge or new. The original research studies have been cited 100's of times. Most of my comment can be found on WIKI. All I have done is taken in all information I find on the subject and come to a conclusion. Yes it is speculative. But to wait for 20 proofs puts your mindset way behind the curve. Your club does not want to hash my idea around? Could they not have fun ripping my theory apart? I wrote it for your entertainment,.. and challenge you to prove it wrong. ! Moderator Note Your claims sound implausible (to say the least). As this information is so well known, it should not be difficult for you to confirm them.
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