Zero point, over unity, free energy: Nonsense or the only way out of this mess

[Vishal]

I pose a simple question to all.

 

My question is this: Why are we not using Zero Point energy?

 

I say 'using' because A) it certainly exists (proof: casimir effect) and B) it can be tapped (hundreds of over unity machines built and functioning out there).

 

Put rather simply, we have the potential to save mankind from almost certain extinction. Why are we PRETENDING it does not exist?

[swansont]

I pose a simple question to all.

 

My question is this: Why are we not using Zero Point energy?

 

I say 'using' because A) it certainly exists (proof: casimir effect) and B) it can be tapped (hundreds of over unity machines built and functioning out there).

 

Put rather simply, we have the potential to save mankind from almost certain extinction. Why are we PRETENDING it does not exist?

 

 

Hundreds? Where are they? I think you mean "zero." There are hundreds of claims, but they all seem to not work when put to the test.

[Reaper]

I pose a simple question to all.

 

My question is this: Why are we not using Zero Point energy?

 

 

I suggest you read this: http://qntm.org/?coffee, and http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/vacuum.html . There isn't likely to be a bottomless well of energy with this.

[iNow]

Hi Vishal,

 

As you can see, we are not familiar with the "unity machines" which you claim have been built and are functioning. Can you please share a few examples so we can see what you are talking about? The ones that we have seen didn't work when tested.

 

Thanks.

[Phi for All]

My question is this: Why are we not using Zero Point energy?

Why don't we spend an extra hour of our time making sure to scrape the very last of the peanut butter from the jar? Because at a certain point the energy required exceeds what we get back. I think that's where we are with ZPE.

 

I say 'using' because A) it certainly exists (proof: casimir effect) and B) it can be tapped (hundreds of over unity machines built and functioning out there).

It may exist but not as you think it does. No machine has passed any sort of scientific review.

 

Put rather simply, we have the potential to save mankind from almost certain extinction. Why are we PRETENDING it does not exist?

Because it must be a conspiracy. Or it's not viable at this time.

[elas]

I pose a simple question to all.

 

My question is this: Why are we not using Zero Point energy?

 

Who said we are not? Perhaps the energy of a ZP is drawn out to create a charged particle, a 'point-like' particle with minimum (Planck) dimensions.

A zero charge particle has not drawn any energy from the ZP and has no visible (energy) dimensions and therefore leaves no trail in a bubble chamber however; the dimensionless ZP (with 100% of its ZP energy) reveals its presence during a collision with a 'point-like' particle.

Perhaps everything detectable or observable, originates from ZP energy, who knows?

[Vishal]

Why don't we spend an extra hour of our time making sure to scrape the very last of the peanut butter from the jar? Because at a certain point the energy required exceeds what we get back. I think that's where we are with ZPE.

 

It may exist but not as you think it does. No machine has passed any sort of scientific review.

 

Because it must be a conspiracy. Or it's not viable at this time.

 

The truth is that ZPE machines have been built. Discrediting it on the pretext of lacking scientific corroboration is weak. Have we asked our own questions? Or are we relying instead on some official looking dude in a lab coat talking on TV sounding like he was picked from the cast of Grey's Anatomy?

 

We know the reson why no scientific reveiw will acknowledge the phenomenon. Because doing so would mean that science itself runs the risk of being discredited. How can we have 'over unity'? How can we defy the laws of thermodynamics? oh my.. can't do THAT!!

 

There is no shortage of documentaries on the internet. It does not matter how sceptical you are, just try to dig a little deeper and it will open your eyes. Yes there is a whole heap of stuff out there that is nonsense but to a keen AND intelligent enquirer its not impossible to find stuff that rings true. If not anything else it will get you interested.

 

There is a reason we don't hear to much about zero point energy and its manifestation. The powers that be have KEPT it quiet. The media is completely subject to the economic might of a few individuals with vested interests in the energy sector. And this has been going on for a really long time. Think a hundred years at least. A perfect example of this targetted vilification is that of Nicola Tesla, arguably the most important human being to have walked this earth. Many of his inventions that have led to quantum leaps in technological development and progress are, to this day, attributed to others.

 

How could we sit back and let this happen? Are we completely dispossessed? Are we so devoid of empathy for mankind in general? Do we not care enough to be motivated and ask these important questions?

 

Nope.. Britney's undies (or lack of them) are much more fun..or maybe a game of Call of Duty 4.. nah..... how about lets hit the drive through and do burnouts in the parking lot??

[ydoaPs]

If ZPE(and/or perpetual motion) technology was feasible, SOMEONE would be making loads of money off it.

[Cap'n Refsmmat]

The truth is that ZPE machines have been built. Discrediting it on the pretext of lacking scientific corroboration is weak. Have we asked our own questions? Or are we relying instead on some official looking dude in a lab coat talking on TV sounding like he was picked from the cast of Grey's Anatomy?

Fine. Send me one and I'll try it myself. If I'm convinced, I'm on your side.

[tvp45]

Is it not generally known outside of Pittsburgh that Tesla, though exceedingly brilliant, was nutty as a fruit cake? He sold most of his good patents to George Westinghouse for a pittance, but Westinghouse never took credit for them, just the profit.

[swansont]

Ah, yes, the great conspiracy.

 

Tell you what. Go to one of the places that has claimed to have made a ZPE machine. See if they're still hooked up to the grid. If they have free energy, why would then need an electrical connection?

[Vishal]

No they can't and no they aren't. Do you think the oil conglomorates and cartels will let you commercialise a free energy system anytime soon? I guess you;ve not read up on the unsolved disappearances of hobbyists and garage inventors who felt motivated enough to share their stories with the world.

 

If ZPE(and/or perpetual motion) technology was feasible, SOMEONE would be making loads of money off it.

 

No, they can't and no they aren't. Do you think the oil conglomorates and cartels will let you commercialise a free energy system anytime soon? I guess you;ve not read up on the unsolved disappearances of hobbyists and garage inventors who felt motivated enough to share their stories with the world.

[Cap'n Refsmmat]

Care to cite any of these "unsolved disappearances"?

 

My problem with your line of reasoning is that there are currently two options available:

• ZPE doesn't work.
  
• ZPE does, but it's suppressed by a massive conspiracy of oil companies who are afraid of it and scientists who don't want to be wrong.
  

Unless you can provide evidence in support of the latter, I think the former choice is far more reasonable.

 

Also, it would be easy enough to publish plans for a ZPE device anonymously on the Internet. Anyone afraid of being kidnapped by Exxon can just install Tor and upload away.

[Vishal]

Fine. Send me one and I'll try it myself. If I'm convinced, I'm on your side.

 

I've already made up my mind and know which side I'm on. Its not responsibility to convince you. Thats your problem. If you are really interested you could build yourself one for about 50 bucks and a trip to Radio Shack. ask me for diagrams when you're motivated to make that trip.

 

This is what gets to me. Why is it that the burden of proof defaults on to me?? go ask your own questions if you're motivated enought to do so. If not then chill out in front of the idiot box and eat a bag of chips. Its cool with me.

[ydoaPs]

Vishal, I will send you $1000USD via paypal for a working perpetual motion(and/or ZPE) device.

[Cap'n Refsmmat]

I've already made up my mind and know which side I'm on. Its not responsibility to convince you. Thats your problem. If you are really interested you could build yourself one for about 50 bucks and a trip to Radio Shack. ask me for diagrams when you're motivated to make that trip.

I've got plenty of time and a soldering iron. Fire away.

 

This is what gets to me. Why is it that the burden of proof defaults on to me?? go ask your own questions if you're motivated enought to do so. If not then chill out in front of the idiot box and eat a bag of chips. Its cool with me.

 

You're the one making the claims.

[Vishal]

Is it not generally known outside of Pittsburgh that Tesla, though exceedingly brilliant, was nutty as a fruit cake? He sold most of his good patents to George Westinghouse for a pittance, but Westinghouse never took credit for them, just the profit.

 

Get your facts right. He was 'framed' as a fruitcake. He was not one. Thats the difference. He sold his patents to Westinghouse in good faith and to some extent it was reciprocated. However, when more and more people (including heavyweights like J.P. Morgan) started kicking up a stink they simply bagged Tesla. What would you do? If you had all the money and the power and had everything to lose if Telsa got through to the world, what would you do? you'd call you cronies at the local daily newspaper and get them to print a story about this crazy loony mad scientists playing with lightening..

[ydoaPs]

Vishal, can I get those diagrams too?

[Vishal]

Vishal, I will send you $1000USD via paypal for a working perpetual motion(and/or ZPE) device.

 

Save your cash. you'll need it. watch this.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrxl8hx9wcU

 

Vishal, can I get those diagrams too?

 

Google is a really efficient internet search engine. I found some diagrams using google. Have you tried it? its great! give it a shot, ok?

[Phi for All]

I've got plenty of time and a soldering iron. Fire away.

This would be good. I think a lot of people would like to see this experiment. Documentation needs to be maintained so there's no cry of, "You did it/told me wrong!" This seems extremely reasonable and would substantiate or falsify the claim.

[Vishal]

Care to cite any of these "unsolved disappearances"?

 

My problem with your line of reasoning is that there are currently two options available:

• ZPE doesn't work.
  
• ZPE does, but it's suppressed by a massive conspiracy of oil companies who are afraid of it and scientists who don't want to be wrong.
  

Unless you can provide evidence in support of the latter, I think the former choice is far more reasonable.

 

 

 

Firstly, you are wrong. There is one other "option", and that is to investigate it yourself (again, only if you are interested). Want to try that first before passing on the burden of proof so easily?

[Cap'n Refsmmat]

Gladly. If you're not going to link me to the plans, allow me to find some myself.

[ydoaPs]

You said you'd provide the diagrams. I need to use yours so you can't claim I picked a fake one to build.

[Reaper]

I've already made up my mind and know which side I'm on. Its not responsibility to convince you.

 

Actually, that really is your problem. You are the one who is promoting this idea, not us.

 

This is what gets to me. Why is it that the burden of proof defaults on to me??

 

Because you are the one making the claim.

 

go ask your own questions if you're motivated enought to do so. If not then chill out in front of the idiot box and eat a bag of chips. Its cool with me.

 

We are asking our own questions, to you! All we are asking is for you to provide one detailed schematic of such a machine that can supposedly tap into ZPE. Of course, if you actually read the link I posted much earlier, you would have realized that such a machine probably wouldn't be useful for solving our energy problems.

[Vishal]

You said you'd provide the diagrams. I need to use yours so you can't claim I picked a fake one to build.

 

look, I'm not 'claiming' anything. And I'm not really interested in convincing you or debating with you about anything. You are aproaching this all wrong. If you are really interested in checking this out then do it. else, let it be and make use of your energies elsewhere where they can do some good to mankind or yourself.

 

If you need a exceedingly simple proof of concept of a perpetual motion machine that uses magnetic forces watch this video. And then start asking some smart questions.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrxl8hx9wcU