Electron Strength

[DivideByZero]

So what holds an electron together?

 

Its a ball of negative charge. But what holds one side of the "ball" to the other side? If it truly is all negative charge then nothing can keep it together as an electron.

[DJBruce]

Although a electron is made of Leptons, I believe that an electron is normally thought of as a fundamental particle as such you can think of it as not having anything smaller than it and so it is completely negative but because it has no smaller parts it is a whole.

[timo]

Electrons are not made of leptons, they are leptons (similarly to a Mercedes not being made of cars but being a car).

[DJBruce]

I apologize for the error I am not the best with particle physics. Thank you for correcting me though.

[Mr Skeptic]

So what holds an electron together?

 

Magic!

[Gilded]

Magic!

 

I present an alternative hypothesis:

Electrons just hold together, what the hell?

[vacuodynamic]

So what holds an electron together?

 

Its a ball of negative charge. But what holds one side of the "ball" to the other side? If it truly is all negative charge then nothing can keep it together as an electron.

 

Dear Friends,

 

Let us see an unpopular idea of “Einstein’s electron theory” in W. Pauli’s book “Theory of relativity”. His idea is to assume that the “material particles are “held together” solely by gravitational force”! And he had derived the formula starting from the assumption of a material energy-momentum tensor. Of course, Einstein’s electron theory was ignored by almost all of scientists. The reason is that “Coulomb force” of matter is much greater than its gravitational force!

 

Now, to visualize the mechanism which holds electron together, first we have to understand what is electron composed of? According to standard big bang (with inflation scenario) theory, steady-state theory or quisi- steady-state theory, the universe starts with what was called “scalar field”. Anyway, it seems that there is not quite clear about it.

 

Next, let us imagine that before the universe is existed, there is nothing, not even empty space! And after the universe was created, in the sense that its fabric structure was built out from some primordial substance which we will called it as “vacuum medium”. So vacuum space is not just an empty space filled with something like the aether, but it is vacuum space itself!

 

But what is “vacuum medium”? Vacuum medium is the uniform geometrical structural gravitational potential energy; the energy that each of its infinitesimal part holds each other together by its internal gravitational force. Also vacuum medium is the minimum energy which is minimal enough to form the “physical fabric structure of our space”. And if we interpret the existing vacuum (medium) space as “positive energy” whiles its internal gravitation force as “negative energy”, no space no energy, then the principle of conservation energy is conserved!

 

Finally, it is reasonable to think that electron (or other elementary particles) is just the “condensed of vacuum medium energy” which forming to be all of the matters in our universe. Otherwise we can not solve the endless hierarchy of elementary particles, i.e. what is the ultimate composition of the material particles!

 

By the way, it is interesting to see that how high energy physicists who are now building a bigger accelerator, could find out the “ultimate particle” of matter?

[Pete]

So what holds an electron together?

For something to be considered as held together one must reject the notion that an electron is a point particle. Only then will there be two different parts which must need to held together. Since it is believed that an electron is a point particle the idea of them being held together.

 

However there are good reasons to consider a classical electron i.e. a sphere that is charged. There is even an entire text devoted to this idea. The text is

 

Classical Charged Particles, by Fritz Rohrlich, World Scientific Publishing Co., (2007)

 

The name given to the force which holds the charge together is Poincare stress. The Poincare stress must be taken into account when calculating the relativistic mass of the charge since stress is a source of inertia (Feynman discusses this in The Feynman Lectures, Vol. II page 28-4 in the chapter on electomagnetic mass).

 

Pete

[vacuodynamic]

For something to be considered as held together one must reject the notion that an electron is a point particle. Only then will there be two different parts which must need to held together. Since it is believed that an electron is a point particle the idea of them being held together.

 

However there are good reasons to consider a classical electron i.e. a sphere that is charged. There is even an entire text devoted to this idea. The text is

 

Classical Charged Particles, by Fritz Rohrlich, World Scientific Publishing Co., (2007)

 

The name given to the force which holds the charge together is Poincare stress. The Poincare stress must be taken into account when calculating the relativistic mass of the charge since stress is a source of inertia (Feynman discusses this in The Feynman Lectures, Vol. II page 28-4 in the chapter on electomagnetic mass).

 

Pete

 

Dear Pete and friends,

 

According to F. Rohrlich, in his book “Classical charged particles”, he said that Poincare stress (cohesive force) appear to be of mysterious origin, and obtained by ad hog assumption. Now, we will try to solve the problem by using the concept that electron as a tiny black hole.

 

Conventionally we can calculate electrostatic field energy create by an electron in terms of its charge and radius. And we can calculate momentum of a moving electron in term of in terms of its charge and radius too. Both of the two calculations were done by Richard P. Feynman (in his book “Lecture on Physics vol.2”) in order to find electron mass and energy. Unfortunately, the calculated mass and energy of an electron does not correspond to mass-energy relation, i.e. electron energy is not equal to mass time square of light speed!

 

Now, if we treat electron as a tiny black hole which immerged in the surrounding vacuum medium, then it will attract and create internal stress in the near by vacuum medium, in which it was manifested as electrostatic field. So we could get the “stress energy” which is the same thing as electrostatic field energy from the calculation above. But remember that the “stress energy” was created by black hole (electron), so electron “self energy” is also equal to the created energy (energy created from a source = energy of the source). Then the total energy of an electron is twice of its electrostatic field energy!

 

Next, based on the concept that an electron moving in vacuum medium, we could apply the concept “Hydrodynamics” for a moving sphere of mass in a fluid. In this case, the kinetic energy of the fluid acting on the sphere is equivalent to one fourth of mass of the fluid displaced by the sphere. Analogously, the additional mass of the moving electron is one fourth of its mass!

 

Finally, by comparing the new calculated mass and energy of electron, we would found that it corresponds to mass-energy relation, i.e. electron energy is equal to its mass time square of light speed! Then we could say that is a tiny black hole, couldn’t we?

[swansont]

"electrons as black holes" has its own thread. Let's keep that discussion there.

http://www.scienceforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=34090