Marijuana evolution

[Chem-Maniac]

I'd like to come back to the original question guys: Why THC in plants?

My theory: Plants develope different kinds of poisons, which are able to kill animals, who eat those plants. THC might have had a bad influence on animals like maybe certain Insects. This of course is just a theory of mine.

[drz]

From what I've understood, thc is like a plant anti-freeze. This is why you let plants grow until after the first frost. The freezing temperatures cause more of the thc to move from the stalk to the buds to help protect them. This in turn makes the pot more potent.

 

In humans, I think I read over at newscientist that we have a similar chemical to thc in our brains which helps with erasing memorys.

[Guest jbbrat01]

Just my two cents...

 

Modern pot has THC because, just like other plants, humans discovered its 'qualities' and cultivated it based on that. The origin of THC in the plant is most likely of a protective nature. The more an animal eats of the plant, the more sloth like it gets. So, from several standpoints the sloth-like induced state would prevent animals from eating more or avoid the plant completely (Prey animals would be less effective at avoiding predators and such). Besides, in some animals, such as rabbits and canines, THC is poisonous and lethal in what would be considered small or moderate doses for humans.

 

Hmm... I think the anti-freeze theory is interesting and very probable. However, why would an annual plant (non-perrenial) need to stay alive through the winter or cold weather?

 

Anyway, I'm an infamous pothead that's trying to slow down (it IS addictive) and I'm a science major and on my way to grad/med school.

[drz]

well, there was a point in time when it grew wild. I've heard that old classic rock song "The day the music died" (can't remember the artist or actual song name), anyhow, the part where it says "Drove my chevy to the levy but the levy was dry" was actually reffering to all the wild pot that grew on the banks of rivers already being picked cleaned.

 

The antifreeze thing is what I've always understood. Also, pot is not the only plant to posses THC. Catnip, for instance, posseses a much smaller amount.

 

Makes you wonder if you couldn't grow some strong strain of catnip.

[Guest jbbrat01]

"drove my chevy to the levy but the levy was dry,

and good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye,

singing this'll be the day that I die,

this'll be the the day that I die."

 

"Bye, bye Miss American Pie"

 

Yeah, that's definately the name of the song, American Pie.

 

Of course it grew wild at one time and still does in many places. I was trying to connect the antifreeze evolution to protective advantages and finally to human cultivation for the THC. Base on these three significant advantages of the endogenous cannabinoid, natural and artificial selection favored plants with THC and probably high THC plants over lower THC plants.

 

I still think the plant making people like nature is a crock. Maybe the love of nature makes one more apt to experiment with a plant from nature.

[drz]

agreed, most the potheads I know show their love for nature by tossing their taco bell wrappers on it.

[AzurePhoenix]

Caffeine is an invalid point when compared to intoxicants and stimulants. For one thing, its a micronutrient essential to brain chemistry. It's found in apple's for god's sake(very small amounts)!

any form of recreational drug is stupid and amoral. mostly stupid. sorry, but i don't care if i offend anyone by saying that anyone who drinks, does any form of drug-taking, or even smokes nothing but basic cigs, they're all morons without any common sense or respect for their bodies, minds, or for those around them.

Zero tolerance!!!!!!!!

One of the reasons I left cheer-squad in the first place was because half of those ditzes were huge crank-heads. You name it, they did it, pot, acid, coke, hard liquor, even pcp and clorox bleach. funny thing is, you couldn't really tell to look at them. They seemed nice and normal, but soon as school let out they were at some guy's house frying their brains out. Only difference was they were WAY more likely to get knocked up. All the girls on the squad, myself included, had lots, i mean lots of sex, but of the half of us that didn't get stoned, none of us got saddled with a kid. On the other hand, all but one of the stoner-girls either ended up with a kid or had an abortion, at least once. One girl in particular had six abortions before she o.d.'ed on crank.

[NavajoEverclear]

all i can say to that is holy shit. But hey i just found a solution to the enviromental problems the u.s. causes--- invite all the pothead idiots to one big national party, and give them a drug that kills them all. They wanted to die anyway. Well there would still be a lot of sober assholes left, we can work with illiminating them later.

 

Just one question, amoral? reading your post you sound a lot like a mormon, until you talked about all your sex. How is your sex NOT amoral? I'd say its a lot less immoral than the drugged up sex accompanied with the abortions, but where exactly do your morals lie if its OK for you to promiscious? Not telling you what you should think or anything, i'm just a little confused by your choice of words. Actually, i dont really care if you reply or not, but if you do it'd be nice if you explained yourself

[badchad]

Caffeine is an invalid point when compared to intoxicants and stimulants. .

 

caffeine is a stimulant

 

For one thing, its a micronutrient essential to brain chemistry. It's found in apple's for god's sake(very small amounts)!

 

marijuana grows naturally, cocaine comes from the cocoa plant, and opiods are derived from plants for god's sake!

 

 

any form of recreational drug is stupid and amoral. mostly stupid. sorry, but i don't care if i offend anyone by saying that anyone who drinks, does any form of drug-taking, or even smokes nothing but basic cigs, they're all morons without any common sense or respect for their bodies, minds, or for those around them. Zero tolerance!!!!!!!! .

 

Similar to someone having pre-marital sex. Blasphemous! those people have no respect for others and must be morons. When the little "cheer girls" get knocked who has to pay their welfare to take care of their kids? your taxes at work.

 

 

One of the reasons I left cheer-squad in the first place was because half of those ditzes were huge crank-heads. You name it, they did it, pot, acid, coke, hard liquor, even pcp and clorox bleach[/b']. funny thing is, you couldn't really tell to look at them. They seemed nice and normal, but soon as school let out they were at some guy's house frying their brains out. Only difference was they were WAY more likely to get knocked up. All the girls on the squad, myself included, had lots, i mean lots of sex, but of the half of us that didn't get stoned, none of us got saddled with a kid. On the other hand, all but one of the stoner-girls either ended up with a kid or had an abortion, at least once. One girl in particular had six abortions before she o.d.'ed on crank.

 

clorox bleach? WTF?!?! I've never heard of it being used recreationally.

 

Well it's good you have your priorities in check. Drugs=BAD.

copious amounts of sex with multiple partners=GOOD

 

You should be proud. Your chances of having an STD are extremely high, but as long as you don't do drugs, or get knocked up you'll be allright.

[drz]

sorry, but i don't care if i offend anyone by saying that anyone who drinks, does any form of drug-taking, or even smokes nothing but basic cigs, they're all morons without any common sense or respect for their bodies, minds, or for those around them.

Zero tolerance!!!!!!!!

 

And you are basing this claim on what, your knowledge of the high school hoochies you know who did drugs? What an assumption.

 

"Make the most you can of the Indian Hemp seed and sow it everywhere."--President George Washington, 1794

 

Was he a moron? I don't like some of the harder drugs out there, but calling every person who uses drugs a moron is a bit of an overstatement, especially since it seems all your knowledge on the subject comes from your cheer leader squad. Its long since been known cheerleaders are easy, and generally promiscous, drugs or not.

 

Nah, I'd say all people that make rash generalizations about a group of people based on their limited high school expieriance are morons. And I also do not care if I offend.

[john5746]

don't care if i offend anyone by saying that anyone who drinks' date=' does any form of drug-taking, or even smokes nothing but basic cigs, they're all morons without any common sense or respect for their bodies, minds, or for those around them.

Zero tolerance!!!!!!!!

[/quote']

 

Drinking a glass of wine is bad? Smoking is ok? The main seperation between tobacco and a joint is legality. Yes, the joint may affect you mind more - similar to alcohol.

 

It is a waste of time and money, but smoking is also. Alcohol has benefits, just don't get excessive or drive.

[AzurePhoenix]

I'm sorry if my phrasing was vague, mr.johnny, but i meant that smoking cigs is as bad as the rest. Any and all recreational drug use is criminal. You know what, i'm not sorry. I was not vague. You're just a moron if you can't read that for what it says. Muttermutter Jerk-off, muttermumble

[AzurePhoenix]

You know what, the taboo on sexuality is a strictly religious idiocy imposed by the same jerk-offs that decided that spirituality had to be organized in the first place.

Those morons, who destroyed the sanctity of life with their bible-loving psychosis, also destroyed the essense of a physical act that surpasses pleasure. Sex is a carnal act, that, if used properly, is safe, wholesome, and 100% pure. I'm no slut. I only banged guys and girls I knew well, had dated a few weeks (and seriously spied on), or knew to be clean.

I may have had alot, alot of partners, but i have been very careful to not contract any diseases.

 

And i'm no slut. I respect my partners, and make sure they know what i'm in it for.

 

If it's just physical, they know it beforehand

 

if its romantic and meant to last, they know it beforehand,

 

If I'm still planning on banging friends and "lovers" on the side, they know it beforehand.

 

i didn't bang those boys and girls for the emotional fuzziness that whores are always after, I did it purely for the physical euphoria of intercourse. I don't screw any guy or gal who calls me pretty. I don't have a porn collection. I don't have wierd fetishes ('cept for the semi-bisexual thing ((meaning i have no romantic interest in girls, just physical)) ) I understand how serious the act really is, and don't treat it lightly, but i do understand that love isn't all about sex, and vice-versa. Sex isn't the highlight of my life, it's just a nice-feeling part of it. It doesn't rule me, and it has little to do with the person I really am.

 

Also, if one day i'm just not careful enough, and multiple birthcontrol methods fail, i will do the responsible thing and raise my child as it should be. I would even give up my intimate pastimes (if the father turned out to be a loser and abandoned the baby.) I would understand if the father wasn't meant to be my eternal mate, and i would accept his non-romantic partnership in raising a child. But if he abandoned our baby, i would make his life a living hell. I've got a mean kick and a viper's tongue. I could ensure he'd never get laid again.

 

And unless my partner is present and participating, I never have sex with anyone other than my partner if we've been dating long enough to call ourselves exclusive. But that doesn't mean threesomes are out of the picture. Thank god.

 

ANY WHO DARE TO INSULT MY INTEGRITY ANY FURTHER SHALL SUFFER THE WRATH OF ONE SERIOUSLY SADISTIC PYRO-PSYCHOTIC-MANIAC!!!!!!!!

 

God, you pansies really need to grow up. This is the real world, not "Full House"

 

.....

[badchad]

I'm sorry if my phrasing was vague, mr.johnny, but i meant that smoking cigs is as bad as the rest. Any[/i'] and all recreational drug use is criminal.

 

You do realize that the taboo on drug use is idiocy imposed by jerk-offs?

[AzurePhoenix]

Umm, derr, no? Not all of my experience is limited to pompom shaking skanks. Fortunately, i know a good life, and was raised in a good home, but our suburbs were real close to the slums of our area, so I got a high exposure to the ways of the streets from an early age. Everything I've stated has come from many nights of sitting by the river in deep thought, sitting alone beneath the oaks beneath a field of starlight.

 

The use of mind-altering drugs is self-destructive and dangerous. Even if you are stupid enough to use mind-altering substances, the fact is, no matter how noble or responspible you are (not very, considering your use of such substances) you will always pose a threat to others around you. Not to mention the effects certain drugs have on your genetic code, which can have horrible results on any future children that may be unlucky enough to be born to such a loser (these corrupted genes can be passed on by fathers as well as mothers).

 

I've met light users, heavy users, hardcore addicts and occasional "tasters", young kids who got hooked cuz' they found just a little bit of weed in their sister's jewelry box, supposedly mature adults (30 or even 40+ years old), who came to highschool parties with cases of beer and boat-loads of drugs. I've known a twelve year old girl, one that i love dearly, who I found out was raped and impregnated by a group of adult men at such a party while a hundred or more teens, including her brother and sister watched, She later lost the baby to drugs (although, in such a situation, a legally performed abortion would have been entirely acceptable, considering the risk to the little girl's health and the moral implications).

 

If you call my experiences limited, just because you snort coke, you can burn in hell, right beside that little girl's rapists. And trust me, they got what they deserved.

 

Any denial of the detrimental effects of recreational drug-use is just that, DENIAL! What, do you think racism, and sexism, and rape, and genocide are just taboo because a bunch of jerk-offs say they are? Of course not. But the fact is, those who commit the crimes are those who defend it with irrational loyalty, their arguments empty of calm and well-thought ideas and principals.

 

Simple fact is, drugs are an escape from reality, a veil drawn across the jewel (albeit a severely flawed, slightly toxic jewel) that the human mind is. It clouds our better judgement, and, like it or not, is foolish, childish, and, ultimately, evil!!!.

 

I have seen the dire effects of drug use. I have been burned by the embers that it casts, torn by its cruel reality. I have suffered, and i haven't even used any drugs. Isn't that enough to say it's wrong? Is something right if it hurts those who love you? Kills your friends?

 

Let me guess. You still think i'm cracked, don't you? You can't talk. Not until you've gone through what i have. How about this, I want you to go to the funeral of a friend who was killed by drugs, go over to that person's parents, and siblings, and tell them that it's alright, that it wasn't the drugs' fault, and then, right there, i want you to light one up, go on, get stoned right there. Maybe get stoned enough to take the corpse from the casket and maybe do a nice waltz, but it's ok, cuz' drugs are ok, and while you're at it you could get it on with the deceased little sister, pop a nut and make a beautiful, deformity-scarred little bundle of joy.

[badchad]

I enjoy your rational debate and eloquent use of 5th grade language. It makes you sound authoritative.

 

First of all, not all drugs are bad, take for instance LSD, there are no conclusive data indicating adverse effects due to it's use. It doesn't cause violence or aggression, thus, eliminating it's harmfulness to others.

 

Please provide me a reference where where drugs are able to "alter your genetic code", such that it is passed on to offspring. I'd love to see that reference as well. And please, don't give me any http://www.drugsarebad.com references either. I'd like a refereed journal article (if you know what that is). I would bet that your chances of an adverse effect resulting from STD's passed on during promiscuous sex are far greater then those caused by having a beer. Your argument of "I only screw guys that look clean" illustrates your level of intelligence.

 

The basic point is that: "Who are you to judge?". Just because a society deems drugs illegal does that necessarily make them bad? (the same is true for many other behaviors). Are you aware of the scientific gains that are made by studying particular drugs of abuse? The obvious answer is "no". You blindly follow the doctrine of what your parents and authoritative figures tell you. You cannot think for yourself to analyze a situation, or even acknowledge a viewpoint other then your own. Welcome to the flock sheep.

[Thales]

There is a reason drugs are labelled as bad by society. Its because over the course of more years than you have been alive, the denegration they have imposed on peoples lives for centuries, has been acknowledged. Sure they may help initally with feelings of self exploration and even spur some insight into bizarre concepts but the end game is that once people get addicted to them, which happes more often than not, it profoundly effect their lives in a negative way.

 

But at the end of the day its your choice. Making them difficult to obtain, by making them illega,l is societies only way of attempting to regulate the damage they can quite easily inflict when they are abused.

 

These opinions I have formed through my own experiences as I have been there and done that myself. Drugs do not contribute to your overall well being nor do they make you anymore interesting/productive a person. For that reason alone I say that while there is a time and a place to experiment, habitual drug taking is bad.

[AzurePhoenix]

What about the fact that even an innocent experiment can create a powerful addiction. Or the fact that a single bad use of a number of drugs can and do kill, even on the first try. Many people intend to just try it once, but very few let it stop there.

[AzurePhoenix]

Also, violence and aggression aren't the only adverse effects of drug-use. tobacco doesn't cause violent behavior, but it is still detrimental to the user and those around him/her

And you should also know that the current stance of law has nothing to do with my outlook. I don't give a flyingf*** as to what the president deems acceptable. Do you think the public's opinion and government's sway kept me from having sex underage? Or that it's nothing more than politics and public opinion that kept me from getting fried at parties when everyone around me was lighting up? When I was ostracized for my "anti-social" tendencies (meaning i chose not to get wasted)? or for liking girls?

I make my own choices. No one else. Nothing else.

[AzurePhoenix]

Am I a saint. 'course not! but I accept responsibility for my actions. I am not a slave to chemical cocktails or what's popular at the time. I don't even know what the name of today's favored music is called. (I'm a hardcore country fan. Chesney!mariah!shaniah!)

 

Quick question.

 

is it bad that i never knew who uncle kracker was until he sang with kenny chesney?

[AzurePhoenix]

Oh, last thing, Thales,

are you really from australia? I've always loved that accent (not quite as much as i like an irish accent, but it's better than british, or german for that matter)

of course, i mean no offense if you don't even have an accent, or if yours accent turns out to be german, for some freakish reason.

[Thales]

I am not from Australia but I reside here. I'm actually british but I moved here when I was very young, so for all intents and purposes I am Australian(except of course if I wish to work or travel or study in Europe then I revert to my other passport, oh the joys of dual citerzenship:-)). I do have an aussie accent according to my English cousins but then when I'm around them aparently I revert back to a slight British one according to my friends, which I find amusing based around the fact I moved here before I could really talk.

[AzurePhoenix]

hot

[AzurePhoenix]

Oh yeah, badchad, i don't just make sure it "looks clean." My circle has a very strict inspection process. Once a month we all get tested, and share the results. If someone new is screwed by anyone, either in the circle or on the side, suspend bang-sessions with that person, until safety is ensured.

I always wait a month or two to screw a new boyfriend, and even then, he has to be tested just before, and again every month. additionally, I always make my guys wear two condoms, usually a heavy duty under a ribbed or flavored one, (i know, it doesn't feel as good for the guy, but on the other hand, he can go a lot longer, which i feel is a good thing, 'specially when the moron takes a friggin' hour to give me an O.)

Once, when a member of our circle caught the clap, she caught it early on through testing without ever coming close to spreading it, and was removed until her treatments were long done (followed by an extra safety month and one last test, just to be positive), As you can assume, she trashed her boyfriend after that.

 

And as for LSD, it can severely impair the mind. I know for a fact that it causes confusion and severe anxiety (witnissed first hand), i've seen guys, and girls, use it only to come to think everyone was trying to kill them. Some sank into temporary depression. I knnow one guy who killed his cat while on it, 'cuz "it was "plannin' somethin' man, somethin' real bad!" (his words, or close to them).

Although LSD causes no physical addiction or physical harm, (so we are told) it still poses a threat to everyone around, albeit indirectly.

[drz]

Did you know in 2000,

435,000 people died from smoking cigarettes?

85,000 from drinking?

20,000 from sexual behaviours?

 

540,000 people in 2000, died from things that are perfectly legal.

 

Do you know how many people died from smoking pot? Quit draging other drugs into this, check the thread title. For one, this isn't even about whether pot is right or wrong, this is questioning the evolution of it. But you've spammed it enough you've forced me to break out the gloves.

 

So do you? How many people died of pot? How many people reported to the hospital for treatment of some physical ailment caused by pot?

 

In 2000, Of all the illegal drugs, there was only 17,000 deaths. Pot did not cause a single one of them.

 

Drugs in general are illegal, not to keep stupid people from enjoying life as you seem to believe, but because it causes the government to miss out on tax money. It causes big corporations to miss out on drug money. Hemp products would really hurt the cotton industry. Its a stronger product. You can make bio-diesal, and due to it only taking 120 days to grow in full, in a wide variety of enviroments, could actually provide a solution to the coming oil crunch.

 

And I mentioned in my other post I don't really agree with hard core drugs. I've seen them kill my family members at too young of an age. I've seen them ruin peoples lives. However, I know dozens, DOZENS of people who live a perfectly normal life, pay bills, raise children, own property and businesses, are respectable members of the community who smoke pot.

 

And whats funny, smoking pot is not illegal. Possesing it is. Same with any drug. This is a case of the government playing nanny trying to tell people how they need to live. Forget the fact that people have been using pot, and other drugs in some form, for THOUSANDS OF YEARS, we need to tell people what is best for them.

 

It would be much like the government deciding since so many people die from sexual diseases, it is illegal to have sex without marrying the person. As you mentioned, you seem to be rather carefull, test yourself and your partner often. You take the responsibility to live the lifestyle you choose to live. I would not dare call you a moron for being sexually active, why do you call me a moron, even though I take responsibility for the lifestyle I choose to live?

 

Thats the key, let me live how I want, you live how you want. As long as one of us isn't stepping on the others toes, we should have not trouble. You have no business, and neither do I, determining how someone else lives their life.