blike Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon says he is no longer bound by promise to Washington that he would not target Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misodoctakleidi Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 I think hamas should kill sharon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blike Posted April 23, 2004 Author Share Posted April 23, 2004 why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skye Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 I don't think either leader should be targeted. It's very difficult to negotiate peaceful settlements with someone who is openly trying to kill you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glider Posted April 24, 2004 Share Posted April 24, 2004 I don't think either side really want peace. I think they want victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blike Posted April 24, 2004 Author Share Posted April 24, 2004 I think a lot of the people want peace, maybe not the rulers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glider Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 Perhaps. Maybe it's biased (or poor) reporting, but I get the impression that this is a case in which the people and their leaders are in fairly close concordance. I may be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 I would tend to agree with you Glider. These ideas have been ingrainded in their heads so long that is very difficult to change them. The ideas seem to be that the others are bad and peaceful negotiations aren't an option. It will take two bold leaders to change this, but then it will have to trickle down through a few generations before the idea of violence is removed from the majority of their culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blike Posted April 25, 2004 Author Share Posted April 25, 2004 but then it will have to trickle down through a few generations before the idea of violence is removed from the majority of their culture. Unfortunately, it may take awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 I don't think either side really want peace. I think they want victory. I couldn`t have said it better myself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 Unfortunately, it may take awhile. Very true. Quite disturbing pictures. That's the biggest problem, but how to stop it is anyone's guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 selective assasination! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glider Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 ...which brings us nicely back to the first post (or the Last Post, depending on your perspective). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atinymonkey Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Creating martyrs is no way to construct peace. There is no quick win to peace in the middle east, it's a waste of energy's looking for one. It's an untenable position for the UN (or anyone) to take, to support assassination yet admonish the Palestinian attacks. One of the routes is slow education of the people that might in turn lead to acceptance. The schools at the moment are prone to teaching religion and with it the bigotry and hate of the opposition. A good step would be to ban religion in schools, unless properly regulated. Perhaps an apology from the British parliament and a visible commitment to the peace process could help. A united front behind the American efforts towards peace. Anything but murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 asassination doesn`t always mean terminating a life, it can take on many usefull methods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atinymonkey Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Character assassination is hardly going to work. It's Israel and Palestine; one side is taught in school that the other eats babies. I think that the reputations are low already, and it’s unlikely someone can tap into the social substructure to spread rumours without being found out quite quickly. It’s not like moving surreptitiously into Bradford, really. Unless you have a third new meaning for the word, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sickmusic Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 i doubt there will ever be peace there. the plots too thick. but this is my point of view.. bit of a vicious circle - Palestinians want their homes back, isaeli's don't want to give it back, and put the palestians in a situations where they slip up, and commit illegal acts, which gives Israel a reason not to give them their homes back,. my prediction anyway, the region will have a war which will lead to a World War(some argue its already started). israel can't take on all Arab countries surrounding them. Therefore the US and UK and a few other nations will jump in. At that point anything can happen. on one side you got all the weapons that can cause mass destruction, on the other you have got a 'divided' Nation who are awaiting a Muslim Leader (the mahdi) who will re-unite the Islamic states, and Jihad will be declared. There are already things happening in all Islamic countries where they are trying to get rid of corrupt 'puppet' leaders, ranging from the middle east right through to Indonesia. call me pessimistic if u want. but i see it all happening within the next 15 years. I don't think anyone wants it to happen, but the rate of change of power in the world is scary.. its a bit of a Race for whose set of Laws should rule the world?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 My take on it is that there is so much bad air in that place that the war isn't going to stop until something absolutely horrific happens. Sad but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiral_ju00 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 My take on it is that there is so much bad air in that place that the war isn't going to stop until something absolutely horrific happens. Sad but true. Yep. It's kind of a vicious circle, isn't it? On one hand you have the Israeli military, who targets and kills a major militant. Sometimes when that happens, they also manage to take out a building or two with a bunch of civilians. The surviving civilians who have just lost a family member will pick up some ammo or bombs and go to Israel(I know I would, under the same circumstances) and blow something up. The Israeli (civilians) want revenge, so they demand their gov't to do something. It send it's military, etc, etc, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 no way; israel should not kill arafat. need i repeat che guevara's last words? i will anyway: "i know you have come to kill me. shoot, coward; you are only going to kill a man.'' if israel kills arafat they will compel the palestinians to rise up in much greater force. both arafat and sharon are, essentially, extremist fools. arafat is more of a figurehead than a leader; he actually holds little political power but israel likes to blame him for their problems. personally, i think the united states should cut funding of israel and eliminate weapons sales to israel. it is the united states who provided the weapons that destroyed palestinian banks and utterly raped the palestinian economy 3 years ago. it is the united states who lead to the starvation and deaths of so many families. it is the united states, who, through syllogism, is recruiting hamas militants. how? simple cycle; palestinian home is blown up. family goes "wtf??? god damn we're poor, starving and homeless." hamas militant approaches, says "g'day. if the patriarch of this family joins us, we'll feed your family, provide shelter and educate your children in an extremely biased manner so they will fight for us willingly later in life. savvy chaps?" and so the father runs off and perhaps dies but hey, his family lives. the united states could stop this if they would just stop israel from blowing up all the palestinians' homes. they could give money to the palestinians. too bad they dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagbard celine Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 Ah, Israel: the final concentration camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 Ah Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 democracy does not justify state terrorism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 But it does invalidate the statement that Israel is a concentration camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 no, not necessarily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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