Why cheap energy does not have a demand?

[Victor Sorokine]

In 1985-86 years I made a number of discoveries and several hundred inventions in the field of savings and production of super-cheap alternative energy. About hundred inventions I even patented or made a patent application.

Among them:

super-cheap in the production slow hydro-turbine with efficiency more than 98%,

turbine with constant efficiency,

turbine engine with efficiency 56%,

steam engine with efficiency to 72% (today their efficiency it does not exceed 7%),

the increase of the caloricity of chemical fuel en 2 and more times (that is equivalent to the doubling of world's supplies of coal and oil and gas),

super-cheap variable-speed drive (automatic gearbox with a continuous change in their values),

the reduction of energy losses tn 3-10 times,

etc.

For the payment of other patents I did not have money.

 

Two-year attempts to realize my inventions showed the futility of this undertaking: Sale of inventions requires the high financial expenditures, which i did not have. And therefore I proposed my discoveries and inventions into the gift to each liberal-democratic state and I wrote the letter about my proposal. However, the super-cheap methods of obtaining the energy do not still have a demand…

 

In the list of the proposed inventions also such were indicated:

super-cheap (into hundred times!) heliostation with the payback period only 3 (!) month,

the super-cheap (into thousand of times) storage batteries of energy for millions kilowatt-hours,

two-cycle internal combustion engines with efficiency 56% (today their efficiency is equal to 18%),

wave power stations of direct transformation of the energy,

heat engines, which work only on the water,

an increase in the caloricity of the chemical fuel, which goes to the heating of accomodations, into 100 times,

super-cheap rocket fuel,

etc.

 

Are since then past twenty years. Energy crisis in the world began, but super-cheap energy does not have a demand.

 

This strange nevertheless civilization…

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The USA can ensure the entire world with energy.

[Klaynos]

Is it possible that your inventions are just flawed in some way you have not noticed?

[CaptainPanic]

steam engine with efficiency to 72% (today their efficiency it does not exceed 7%),

I doubt this one.

 

Ever heard of the Carnot Cycle?

 

72% is high, but can be achieved by modern steam engines... especially if they're stationary (not moving). They definitely do better than 7%.

 

the increase of the caloricity of chemical fuel en 2 and more times (that is equivalent to the doubling of world's supplies of coal and oil and gas),

Since you patented it, you mind telling us how that works?

Did you put twice as many carbon and hydrogen atoms in the same fuel?

 

super-cheap variable-speed drive (automatic gearbox with a continuous change in their values),

That has existed for years. It was used in a production car by DAF (link)... but no doubt, yours was better.

[DrP]

If you don't have the money to produce these designs then take your ideas and present them to large company. They should love your ideas if they are as good as you say they are. They can then buy them off of you and produce them theirselves.

[Victor Sorokine]

Is it possible that your inventions are just flawed in some way you have not noticed?

 

Rewards for the turbines and the converter of rotational energy of the gas: Silver medal, Geneva, 1988; Gold medal even two certificates, Lyon, 1998.

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I doubt this one.

 

Ever heard of the Carnot Cycle?

 

72% is high, but can be achieved by modern steam engines... especially if they're stationary (not moving). They definitely do better than 7%.

 

 

Since you patented it, you mind telling us how that works?

Did you put twice as many carbon and hydrogen atoms in the same fuel?

 

 

That has existed for years. It was used in a production car by DAF (link)... but no doubt, yours was better.

 

Answer is here:

HOW TO USE THE ROTATIONAL THERMAL ENERGY OF GAS

 

Rotational Thermal Energy (or RTE) was already found in the molecular theory of gas by Boltzmann. So far, however, nobody has demonstrated yet how it could be used. This work is the first attempt to do so.

1. In the heat-engines the RTE of molecules is not transformed into mechanical energy, because the piston (and the turbine) moves by the force, which is oriented the same direction as its motion.

2. Therefore, the RTE of the gas does not change when a mechanical work is done.

3. Because the surface of the thermometer also does not take in the tangential effort, all figures showing the calorific values of the fuel are less by the value of the RTE.

4. As follows from the mechanics, a molecule of gas created during a chemical reaction gets a high RTE. A large portion of kinetic and vibrational thermal energy (KVTE) of constituent elements and the work of the force of chemical attraction when the molecules are close to each other are transformed into RTE.

5. If one of the elements of that reaction is a solid and immobile substance, then the RTE of the molecule of gas is created only by the mobile element, and the KVTE is created only by immobile element. And it is proportionally to the masses of these elements. So, when crystalline carbon is chemically reacting with oxygen and CO2 is formed, the proportion RTE/KVTE = 16:6 = 2.667, the fact which is confirmed experimentally up to four digits precision.

6. No phenomenon of self-heating of exhaust gas (i.e. spontaneous transformation of RTE into KVTE) is observed. Hence, all RTE of combustion product is totally wasted.

7. The fact of existence of thermal energy of unknown origin has been experimentally observed in 1818: a "catalyst" (tiff) raises the calorific value of the coal by 2.668 times.

8. Almost complete coincidence of the theoretical value of the RTE of carbonic acid (gas) with the experimental one gives us total confidence to think that the "catalyst" is indeed the transformer of RTE into KVTE, or RTE-transformer.

The above-mentioned facts allow us to explain the machinery of the RTE-transformer: after a chemical combination of a molecule of CO2 with an immobile molecule of CaO the rotation of the molecule of CO2 stops and its RTE is transformed into KVTE. However, the value of KVTE turns out to be so high that it provokes a disintegration of CaCO3 back to CaO, but immobile, and a CO2, but not rotating.

The model of RTE presented here fully explains all cases of appearance of a mysterious extra thermal energy in many thermodynamic processes and allows us to find RTE-transformers with the highest efficiency. This means that it is possible to raise the calorific value of chemical fuel in all existing appliances including heat engines. Thus, the presented model of RTE raises by 2 to 3 times the potential of the thermal energy available to the mankind.

It should be noted that physical and chemical properties of gas with high RTE substantially differ from that of the ordinary gas.

 

Victor Sorokine (France. 1998)

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If you don't have the money to produce these designs then take your ideas and present them to large company. They should love your ideas if they are as good as you say they are. They can then buy them off of you and produce them theirselves.

 

No one buys idea - they steal them.

[CaptainPanic]

I must say, that really sounds fascinating... The idea of using rotational energy of a molecule is interesting.

 

However, two things that bother me about this:

 

1.

I was always under the impression that in the thermodynamic description of internal energy of a molecule (and therefore of a gas, liquid or solid), all forms of movement are described: linear velocity, vibration and indeed also rotation. These together add up to numbers that have been experimentally confirmed. There exist formulas that describe the rotational energy of a (diatomic) molecule. Click here to find one.

 

2.

These energies can be converted from one into the other. The temperature of a gas is just the added energies of the linear velocity, vibration and rotation. The average of these energies of all the molecules in a gas determine the temperature of the gas.

If one molecule is spinning very fast, and it bumps into another molecule, it will transfer some of its rotational energy to another molecule. That can mean that the other molecule gets a higher linear velocity.

I'm no expert in the quantum mechanics... but as a first approximation, I think you can regard molecules as (mostly non-spherical) balls that have completely elastic collisions with each other.

 

In short, as far as I know, rotational energy is already in all our models.

 

If you're able to slow down molecules even more, you will simply cool down the gas even more. And to cool below ambient temperature, you will need a heat pump (e.g. a fridge / freezer).

I'm still interested if you found another way to make a fridge.

[Sayonara]

Victor, you are not the first person to drop in on us claiming that the world ignores their amazing inventions, so I just have one simple question for you:

 

Why are you here?

[npts2020]

Victor; I am probably one of the dumbest rocks ever to successfully become an engineer so please try to bear with me. I basically agree with what CaptainPanic said but am wondering are you claiming that RTE is not measured by thermometers? Also I am failing for some reason to understand why RTE is preferentially converted to KVTE instead of more RTE. If your idea works the way you say it will there should be a great number of people interested in it, you just haven't found them yet so don't give up.

[Victor Sorokine]

Why are you here?

http://www.scienceforums.net/ is the only forum, where it is possible to publish ideas from physics.

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1. These together add up to numbers that have been experimentally confirmed.

2. The temperature of a gas is just the added energies of the linear velocity, vibration and rotation. The average of these energies of all the molecules in a gas determine the temperature of the gas.

If one molecule is spinning very fast, and it bumps into another molecule, it will transfer some of its rotational energy to another molecule.

 

It is not possible to measure the rotational energy with the aid of the kinetic thermometer.

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Victor; I am probably one of the dumbest rocks ever to successfully become an engineer so please try to bear with me. I basically agree with what CaptainPanic said but am wondering are you claiming that RTE is not measured by thermometers? Also I am failing for some reason to understand why RTE is preferentially converted to KVTE instead of more RTE. If your idea works the way you say it will there should be a great number of people interested in it, you just haven't found them yet so don't give up.

 

1. It is not possible to measure the rotational energy with the aid of the kinetic thermometer.

 

2. Interest?

It is today known 100 types of turbines. In 1986 I found 1000000 (one million = all!!!) new forms and created the complete concept of turbine. And no interest!

[npts2020]

Well, I am interested in any form of energy production that 1) is more efficient than current methods and/or 2) uses renewable sources. However, I am still unclear on the mechanism whereby all of the extra energy comes from. Why will the energy conversion you describe convert any energy from rotational to kinetic and vibrational energy? Near as I can tell from my admittedly weak knowledge of chemistry you will get the same random motions that went into the process to begin with. What am I missing?

[DrP]

Hopefully one of the physics experts can comment, but I was always lead to believe that temperature was the measure of the systems energy from the molecules KE, Rotational and vibrational energies put together. (I doubt electronic fine structure and energy would contribute at all).

 

Think about it - if a slow moving, fast spinning molecule collides with a slow moving slow spinning one then several things can happen... The second molecule 'may' get some energy transfered from the first and go off quickly spinning slowly, slowly spinning quickly, medium paced and spinning at a medium pace... or it may spin off very slowly and have been set vibrating quickly.... There is no way to predict it short of building a clasical model and treating them as balls connected by springs.. in ALL cases though - the energy of the system will be constant. So your theory of rotation not contributing to T cannot be true (because rotational energy and translational and vibrational energy is interchanged with each collision).

[Klaynos]

Hopefully one of the physics experts can comment, but I was always lead to believe that temperature was the measure of the systems energy from the molecules KE, Rotational and vibrational energies put together. (I doubt electronic fine structure and energy would contribute at all).

 

Think about it - if a slow moving, fast spinning molecule collides with a slow moving slow spinning one then several things can happen... The second molecule 'may' get some energy transfered from the first and go off quickly spinning slowly, slowly spinning quickly, medium paced and spinning at a medium pace... or it may spin off very slowly and have been set vibrating quickly.... There is no way to predict it short of building a clasical model and treating them as balls connected by springs.. in ALL cases though - the energy of the system will be constant. So your theory of rotation not contributing to T cannot be true (because rotational energy and translational and vibrational energy is interchanged with each collision).

 

This is my understanding as well.

 

Temperature is better named internal energy.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_energy

 

I would have commented to this effect earlier but I felt your comments were good so didn't need it

[Bignose]

The theory that all available energy is split evenly among all the different forms (translational, rotational, vibrational, etc.) is known as the equipartition of energy theorem. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipartition_theorem

 

Like a lot things in thermodynamics, under the right circumstances, equipartition of energy is very, very accurate. Reference 3 in the above Wikipedia article for one ("On the specific heat of mercury gases", Kundt and Warburg, 1876).

 

Of course, there is a lot of interesting physics not in the "right circumstances", and when quantum effects start to become important, then equipartition doesn't hold as well anymore.

 

Nevertheless, the point remains that the forms of energy can be transferred from one form to another. The amounts of transfer from one form to another can be calculated -- see the (excellent) book The Mathematical Theory of Non-Uniform Gases by Chapman and Cowling, Section 13.31 in the 3rd edition.

 

I have significant doubts that you can just take away rotational energy, because while there will be a lag, eventually the transitional and vibrational energies will be converted to rotational energy again. So, I guess what I'd like to see is some results that contradict what is published in the literature. The Chapman and Cowling book is a true classic in the kinetic theory of gases. It's going to take some very strong evidence to change my mind about what is written in C&C.

[jian]

Why don't do a simulation first and attach the results with your proposal. Simulation will be much cheaper snd facts speaks louder than words.

 

If your idea is applicable, you will change the whole world.

[J.C.MacSwell]

In 1985-86 years I made a number of discoveries and several hundred inventions in the field of savings and production of super-cheap alternative energy. About hundred inventions I even patented or made a patent application.

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Can you provide a link to one of the more promising ones that you patented?

 

Or did you only patent the wrong ones?

[Mr Skeptic]

In the list of the proposed inventions also such were indicated:

super-cheap (into hundred times!) heliostation with the payback period only 3 (!) month,

 

Simple then. Get a loan from the bank or use a credit card if you have to, and make one of these heliostations. Every three months you should earn from it however much money you invested, which will give you a steady source of income to use your other inventions. Also, people will actually believe that you are not crazy, including investors.