is the essence of time > movement ?

[north]

Time does not force movement but it does allow movement.

 

how so ?

 

how does time " allow " movement ?

[iNow]

how so ?

 

how does time " allow " movement ?

 

You have your question backwards. The real question is how does movement happen without time?

[NowThatWeKnow]

Either time allows movement or movement creates time.

[north]

Either time allows movement or movement creates time.

 

movement creates time

 

if time allows movement , then what is it about time that can block any physical movement by any physical object of any kind ?

[iNow]

Oooh... I know... Semantic Games!!

[NowThatWeKnow]

Not only movement, but gravity has an influence on time. Is time needed for gravity to exist?

[north]

Oooh... I know... Semantic Games!!

 

not at all

 

if you disagree show semantics games are prevalent

 

rather than reasoning

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Not only movement, but gravity has an influence on time.

 

indirectly

 

 

Is time needed for gravity to exist?

 

absolutely not

[NowThatWeKnow]

If you freeze time, movement will stop. If you stop movement, time will not freeze. I think time is independent of movement unless you can prove otherwise.

[north]

If you freeze time, movement will stop.

 

you got it backwards

 

if you freeze movement , time will stop

 

 

If you stop movement, time will not freeze.

 

above

 

 

I think time is independent of movement unless you can prove otherwise.

 

if there is no movement what then is time based on ?

[NowThatWeKnow]

Wouldn't that be like saying your sight would quit working just because it was dark and there was nothing to see?

[north]

Wouldn't that be like saying your sight would quit working just because it was dark and there was nothing to see?

 

NO

 

why would think that ?

 

and what is the connection with what you say and time ?

[NowThatWeKnow]

There is no way to test your theory so I will go to bed now.

[north]

There is no way to test your theory so I will go to bed now.

 

actually what propose is not a theory but fact

 

think about it in depth

[iNow]

actually what propose is not a theory but fact

 

think about it , deeply

 

And for those of us remaining awake, what pray-tell is the way you can test your assertions?

 

Scratch that...

 

1) Using precise language, what is your claim? Then...

2) How can we run a test on that claim that has the chance of falsifying it?

[north]

And for those of us remaining awake, what pray-tell is the way you can test your assertions?

 

Scratch that...

 

1) Using precise language, what is your claim? Then...

2) How can we run a test on that claim that has the chance of falsifying it?

 

1) that time is merely a consequence of the measurement of the movement of object(s)

 

2) apply time and time alone to any object(s) movement and see if that makes any difference to the object behaviour , physically

[cameron marical]

Either time allows movement or movement creates time.

 

i think its neither time doesnt allow movement, energy allows movement, and movement doesnt create time, time measures movement. so theres no creating or allowing, its just measurment. time is man-made. i think that movement is indepedent of time and time is just the measurement of any moving bodys selected lifespan amount. like the measurment of a selected amount space is meters, feet, kilometers, time is just like that, and we use things like seconds, days, hours etc... to express it.

[moth]

1) that time is merely a consequence of the measurement of the movement of object(s)

 

2) apply time and time alone to any object(s) movement and see if that makes any difference to the object behaviour , physically

 

that is an argument for philosophy, does time pass unless a tree falls in the forest etc.

how do you apply time alone to movement? where is it moving?

[north]

i think its neither time doesnt allow movement, energy allows movement, and movement doesnt create time, time measures movement. so theres no creating or allowing, its just measurment. time is man-made. i think that movement is indepedent of time and time is just the measurement of any moving bodys selected lifespan amount. like the measurment of a selected amount space is meters, feet, kilometers, time is just like that, and we use things like seconds, days, hours etc... to express it.

 

you got it

 

( slowly but surely the truth about time is sinking in , expanding into the general mind set )

[cameron marical]

and so the virus spreads:)

[north]

and so the virus spreads:)

 

meaning ?

 

just to be clear

[cameron marical]

only joking. just the same thing as saying

slowly but surely the truth about time is sinking in , expanding into the general mind set

. not like its actually a virus, as in a bad thing, like its a way of understanding that, once in your head, is rather hard to get out. like a virus.

its kind of an inside joke i guess. my bad.

[north]

only joking. just the same thing as saying . not like its actually a virus, as in a bad thing, like its a way of understanding that, once in your head, is rather hard to get out. like a virus.

its kind of an inside joke i guess. my bad.

 

gotcha

 

you got me , for a moment:D

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Originally Posted by north

1) that time is merely a consequence of the measurement of the movement of object(s)

 

2) apply time and time alone to any object(s) movement and see if that makes any difference to the object behaviour , physically

 

 

that is an argument for philosophy, does time pass unless a tree falls in the forest etc.

 

no

 

 

how do you apply time alone to movement?

 

you can't

 

 

where is it moving?

 

where is what moving ?

[moth]

so just to be clear you believe time only passes if an observer is there to measure some difference?

first you suggest i apply time alone to an objects motion, then you say it's impossible, which is it?

[Klaynos]

Merged with previous thread on the same topic. For those new to the topic it's probably worth reading the previous posts.

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Also, moved to p&s.

[swansont]

actually what propose is not a theory but fact

 

think about it in depth

 

If it's fact, then it must be observed to be true. Better still if it's predicted by existing theory. But since movement cannot be stopped, how could this ever be observed? If we do this abstractly, by transforming into a reference frame where there is no motion, we see that time runs at its fastest — that motion causes time to run slower.

 

So how is it that you present this as fact?