Self-Perpetual Static Electric Generator

[AdrianB]

I am sorry for my behaviour before, I was just angry and anoyed.

 

I would still like your opinions on this as it is now classed as open source.

Because this has been talked about in forums I can no longer apply for patents.

 

Thank you for your time and any help

 

http://cid-7600e8759e1cd056.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Self-Perpetual%20Static%20Electric%20Generator/01.bmp

[Klaynos]

Where are the polls of the magnets?

 

(and just so we're clear from the start this is not perpetual energy generation, it WILL slow and stop, or not be buildable)

[DrP]

Pictures are nice. Why not build a prototype?

[AdrianB]

The four rubber water balls when they unsquash will regenerate the power needed to build the momentum back up to perpetuat the whole motion.

 

I do not have the funds to build one.

I try and tell people about it, they say

"you need to build one!"

Dont have the skills, knowledge or the money, just this idea.

[DrP]

The four rubber water balls when they unsquash will regenerate the power needed to build the momentum back .............

 

But energy will be lost to heat from friction as the rubber ball un-squishes - sorry to put a downer on it.

 

 

Dont have the skills, knowledge...

 

Never mind - no-one has.

[AdrianB]

Could you explain a bit better for me please.

 

I thought that the water tubes that run through the motor would keep the temperature down.

 

All that the iron mass does is create a magnetic atraction to the larger iron mass.

The idea is to create a magnetic force that forces the static charge from the ion generator to the earthing point.

 

I thought that the heat would be created in the lightening bolt not in the motor.

[Sisyphus]

I haven't looked at your design (I'm supposed to be working right now), but with "perpetual motion machines," remember the rule that every step of the way, you always get less energy out of a process than you put in. Whatever step(s) it is that you think will generate more energy than you need to activate it, that's the one that won't work. For example, with those rubber balls you mention, when they "unsquish" they will do less work than it took to squish them in the first place, always, no matter what.

[Klaynos]

Heat will be generated, this will be lost to the outside world, the system will loose energy, it WILL stop.

 

That's before we get to things like, the fact the system will stop spining because the magnetics will just position themselves in the least energetic position, they might oscillate for a while but not long if you are taking energy out of the system, and you will again loose energy due to friction with noise and heat.

[AdrianB]

May I say, the steel sleeves on the copper axles are free rotating.

There isnt any drag or friction on the blades, bar push from the magnetic pads.

 

The water fan on the outside, yes are attached to the sleeves, but as the motor starts up the flow of water is constant, as the motor pulls down and squashes the rubber balls.

Then it is the water that speeds up the sleeves, which speeds up the blades.

there is a hole at the top of the motor, so air can pass through and cool the motor.

The eight bladed arms magnetic poles, are at the tip of the arm. I am sorry I didnt add a block representing that. the end of the blade would look like a hammer.

 

I take on board that you say it will stop.

Could I ask, what amount of charge, would you think would be required to keep the system in constant flow.?

Would it only require a small sparadic charge or would it require a constant supply.?

[Baby Astronaut]

I haven't looked at your design (I'm supposed to be working right now), but with "perpetual motion machines," remember the rule that every step of the way, you always get less energy out of a process than you put in. Whatever step(s) it is that you think will generate more energy than you need to activate it, that's the one that won't work. For example, with those rubber balls you mention, when they "unsquish" they will do less work than it took to squish them in the first place, always, no matter what.

Even if all the components achieved superfluidity?

[PrinceOfDragons]

I think we should forget about a Self-Perpetual device, instead once the space elevator is complete we start working on constructing an orbital ring with multiple solar panels that will either beam or use cables to transfer the energy back down to earth.

 

There are a number of problems to consider like meteorites, terrorists and other stuff. Just imagin even with all the repairs it will still save a lot even paying for itself in the long run.

[Klaynos]

May I say, the steel sleeves on the copper axles are free rotating.

 

If they are touching ANYTHING there is friction.

If they are near ANY magnet there is friction.

If they are in air there is friction.

Unless they are COMPLETELY isolated from incoming photons, there is friction.

 

There is friction.

 

There isnt any drag or friction on the blades, bar push from the magnetic pads.

 

The water fan on the outside, yes are attached to the sleeves, but as the motor starts up the flow of water is constant, as the motor pulls down and squashes the rubber balls.

 

The water would be heating up slightly as you move it. There will also be resistance to the motion of the water from the sides etc...

 

Then it is the water that speeds up the sleeves, which speeds up the blades.

there is a hole at the top of the motor, so air can pass through and cool the motor.

 

The very fact it needs cooling shows that energy is lost to the outside world.

 

The eight bladed arms magnetic poles, are at the tip of the arm. I am sorry I didnt add a block representing that. the end of the blade would look like a hammer.

 

What poles, where are their opposing poles, magnets always have two N and S.

 

So a pole on each side?

 

I take on board that you say it will stop.

Could I ask, what amount of charge, would you think would be required to keep the system in constant flow.?

 

More in total than you get out.

 

Would it only require a small sparadic charge or would it require a constant supply.?

 

Constant supply for constant speed.

 

I can't work out the exact energies with this little information, it's probably infeasible to do and would just be easier to build one. As you'd need to know all the coeficients of friction for all the movnig parts...

[Sisyphus]

Even if all the components achieved superfluidity?

 

They can't. But yes.

[npts2020]

AdrianB; Even if you can't build a perpetual motion machine, just building any machine that is more efficient than current ones would be quite a worthwhile achievement.