How Gravity Really Works

[Peron]

My search for gravity control continues. Here is a interesting link, satellites around the van der graf generator!

 

http://books.google.com/books?id=RPWNfdCGYlIC&pg=PA182&lpg=PA182&dq=van+de+graf+generator+satellites&source=web&ots=6VvuJQjAJd&sig=39CFd-VHSV-gfCm-m3Pqsir6AuY&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#PPA183,M1

 

Isn't the sun a giant pseudo van der graf generator? Could it be this simple. Gravity is an electrostatic phenomena. Wow.

 

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2602893/Midget-Van-De-Graaff-Generator <<< Scroll to the last page, at the bottom read the "Satellites in Orbit" paragraph. Amazing.

 

This should be tested in vacuum, if it still works, we know what gravity is!?

 

http://sciencelinks.jp/j-east/article/200702/000020070207A0035927.php

 

http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf112/sf112p14.htm

 

http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue61/chargeclusters.html

 

We know that flux ropes in space have long range attraction and short range repulsion.

 

http://www.plasma-universe.com/index.php/Image:Birkeland-current-force-graph.png

 

So why not the some action between the sun and earth? Or other planets. All are charged bodies!

 

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1998/TreshaEdwards.shtml

 

The Earth's Electrostatic Charge

 

Tesla's intent was to condense the energy trapped between the earth and its upper atmosphere and to transform it into an electric current. He pictured the sun as an immense ball of electricity, positively charged with a potential of some 200 billion volts. The earth, on the other hand, is charged with negative electricity. The tremendous electrical force between these two bodies constituted, at least in part, what he called cosmic energy. It varied from night to day and from season to season but it is always present.

 

The positive particles are stopped at the ionosphere and between it and the negative charges in the ground, a distance of 60 miles, there is a large difference of voltage - something on the order of 360,000 volts. With the gases of the atmosphere acting as an insulator between these two opposite stores of electrical charges, the region between the ground and the edge of space traps a great deal of energy. Despite the large size of the planet, it is electrically like a capacitor which keeps positive and negative charges apart by using the air as a non-conducting material as an insulator.

 

The earth has a charge of 96,500 coulombs. With a potential of 360,000 volts, the earth constitutes a capacitor of .25 farads (farads = coulombs/volts). If the formula for calculating the energy stored in a capacitor (E =1/2CV2) is applied to the earth, it turns out that the ambient medium contains 1.6 x 1011 joules or 4.5 megawatt-hours of electrical energy. In order to utilize this high-voltage energy you must do two things -- make an energy sink and then devise a way of making the "sink" oscillate.

 

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:UW8Gfni7chMJ:www.re-news.net/energy/fall2005/resources/tesla/NIKOLA%2520TESLA3.doc+earth%27s+electrostatic+charge&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us

 

Electrons are charged bodies, and so are protons, could the same laws that apply to Birkeland currents, repulsion and attraction, at the atomic level? Earth is kept around the sun by its short range repulsion and long range attraction? And so are atoms? It would seem that the electrostatics have been ignored just like plasma, or are they one and the same?

 

http://www.pureinsight.org/node/60

 

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2008/arch08/080611levitation.htm

 

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9GU3XpiepM&feature=related

 

So why are we stuck to the ground?

 

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/040927earth-capacitor.htm

 

http://www.nuenergy.org/alt/earth_charge.htm

 

http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~vawter/PhysicsNet/Topics/Capacitors/EarthCap.html

 

We are in side the capacitor! That would make us the dielectric! What does the dielectric experience in side a capacitor? http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/D/dielectric.html

 

http://www.millersville.edu/~jdooley/macro/macrohyp/polel/polel.htm

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dielectric

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dielectric_model.svg

 

ELECTRIC POLARIZATION! Is that gravity!? Whoa. Any scientist out there who wants to take a look at my humble musings? Or any one, help me out here! So gravity may be the result of two different things. On the surface of a planet, it might simple be electric polarization and, in space; the em rules that governs plasma! :shock: Haha, what we call gravity here on earth, may not even exist in space! Only em repulsion and attraction! The same principals that governs plasma in space might also govern how celestial bodies interact.

 

 

Orginally by Influx

[Klaynos]

Gravity is NOT a simple electro static effect.

[Peron]

Gravity is NOT a simple electro static effect.

 

The sun is a giant anode discharge!? If that is so, all celestial objects, pick up that charge and based on their composition, capacitance, inductance and resistance to this charge seek equilibrium. The earth has a electric field, and a magnetic field, two simple components necessary to create an oscillator circuit. Combine this with massive amounts of charge present in space, well, the solar system might simple be an electrostatic motor. The sun being the stator and the planets rotors. The rotors electrical composition dictates were and how it behaves, that is, how much charge it picks up from the sun, how it is linked to the sun, and the electrical nature of the rotor determine where it will orbit. There might not even be the classical gravity at all. As Emmanuel Velicovsky was saying all along. The planets rotation might be the torque resulting from the planets interaction with the electric properties of surrounding space. Or the planets might be simple inducing that rotation by it self onto itself via the hall effect. The hall effect needs two things present, magnetic and an electric field at right angle to each other. The hall effect usually produces motion in a straight line, but earths both fields are spherical, so instead there might be torque! Plus don't forget the em oscillation that is a resultant of the magnetic and electric fields.

[Klaynos]

The numbers just don't tie up. It's not true, it doesn't work when you analyse it, in any way. I'm sure we've covered this before on the forums.

[Peron]

The numbers just don't tie up. It's not true, it doesn't work when you analyse it, in any way. I'm sure we've covered this before on the forums.

 

 

Look at it in a new light,

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliopause#Heliopause

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Heliopause_diagram.png

 

The Heliopause is a huge standing wave in 3D, so the planets find the the proper low density ares of the standing waves, and roll around in the "grooves" like the needle on a LP record.

 

 

 

 

Remember, the videos show a single 2d standing waves, but in a solar system inside the helioshere, they are 3d and cover the entire spectrum! Meaning the planets would be confined to a certain standing waves, to each his own. Jupiter, rides on and is attached to a huge ( I mean frequency and wavelength) standing wave, mars to a small one, the moon to the earths wave and so on.

 

Here are some vids, of standing waves confining clouds to a particular location or an area. This might be why planets stay in their orbits.

 

 

 

 

Remember, it all 3d. Em, waves do not look like this>>>http://www.qrg.northwestern.edu/projects/vss/docs/media/Communications/frequency.gif

 

But, like this >>>http://www.efieldsolutions.com/Pics/generic_aircraft_far2.jpg

 

http://www.efieldsolutions.com/Pics/generic_aircraft_far1.jpg

 

https://www.cst.com/CMS/images/article382/figure04.png

 

All images credited to their respective websites.

 

Look beyond math, and look at the experiments.

[Klaynos]

youtube is NOT a source.

 

There is no "new light" where the numbers magically create the right force, in terms of action or magnitude.

[moth]

the electric force has two poles +,- gravity only has one (that we can see).

if the sun charges the solar system it all has the same charge and like charges should repel so it would fly apart like anti-gravity

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[Peron]

youtube is NOT a source.

 

There is no "new light" where the numbers magically create the right force, in terms of action or magnitude.

 

the electric force has two poles +,- gravity only has one (that we can see).

if the sun charges the solar system it all has the same charge and like charges should repel so it would fly apart like ant-gravity

 

No not really, as in my first post, you can clearly see small balls of foil orbiting the Van De Graaf generator.

So if everything in space is properly tuned then this idea should be highly looked over.

 

http://www.varchive.org/ce/cosmos.htm

[moth]

No not really, as in my first post, you can clearly see small balls of foil orbiting the Van De Graaf generator.

So if everything in space is properly tuned then this idea should be highly looked over.

 

http://www.varchive.org/ce/cosmos.htm

 

the example shows the foil configured with a sharp end and a blunt end to keep them aligned with the field.

planets are not shaped like that

[D H]

http://www.varchive.org/ce/cosmos.htm

Velikovsky? This garbage was debunked 60 years ago! Every single one of his points is false.

[Peron]

Velikovsky? This garbage was debunked 60 years ago! Every single one of his points is false.

 

How can you argue about something that you yourselves don't clearly understand.

Gravity is classified as: The natural force of attraction exerted by a celestial body, such as Earth, upon objects at or near its surface, tending to draw them toward the centre of the body.

 

But what is it, I mean there has to be a explanation. the hypotheses I present is how gravity could be working, this isn't that out there, it does work in labs. I tested this my self, and had a whole solar system orbiting my Van De graaf generator.

Combine the sun and the already static electricity present in space, well, connect the dots.

[Klaynos]

Are you just going to ignore the other points made?

 

How can you argue about something that you yourselves don't clearly understand.

Gravity is classified as: The natural force of attraction exerted by a celestial body, such as Earth, upon objects at or near its surface, tending to draw them toward the centre of the body.

 

Nope, gravity is:

 

Gravitation is a natural phenomenon by which objects with mass attract one another.

 

There's no celestial body requirement.

 

But what is it, I mean there has to be a explanation. the hypotheses I present is how gravity could be working, this isn't that out there, it does work in labs. I tested this my self, and had a whole solar system orbiting my Van De graaf generator.

Combine the sun and the already static electricity present in space, well, connect the dots.

 

My main problem with this is if it was true we could trivially shield it as we do with other EM fields.

 

But as DH said this was debunked decades ago, do you have anything new to add or should this thread be closed/trashed?

[Peron]

Are you just going to ignore the other points made?

 

 

 

Nope, gravity is:

 

 

 

There's no celestial body requirement.

 

 

 

My main problem with this is if it was true we could trivially shield it as we do with other EM fields.

 

But as DH said this was debunked decades ago, do you have anything new to add or should this thread be closed/trashed?

 

Experiments, Experiments, Experiments, if experiments fit the hypotheses. Then your hypotheses is correct.

That is how science works. Right now you have no proof to say that gravity is not electrical or magnetic. You have no experiments to prove that it isn't, therefore you cannot say that my hypothesis is incorrect.

 

To debunk something you need credible evidence and experiments. You cannot present mathematical models, and say this is how gravity works.

[Klaynos]

I just made a prediction and tested it, I tried to shield gravity in the same way I would shield any other EM effect, it failed miserably. Debunked done.

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Velikovsky#Criticism_of_Worlds_in_Collision

[Peron]

I just made a prediction and tested it, I tried to shield gravity in the same way I would shield any other EM effect, it failed miserably. Debunked done.

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Velikovsky#Criticism_of_Worlds_in_Collision

 

He he he, the earth is pulling you down, go head and shield yourself.

He he.

 

Earth and the rest of the planets are connected to the sun by a umbilical cord.

This umbilical cord is like thread, composed of a electric field and magnetic field.

This is what also gives magnets attraction. These threads.

Tests have been done, some of the test have been done by me as well, and it works.

When you tune the Van De Graaf, you can make things fly fifty feet in the air, or make the object hover, spin, twirl.

Like I said the experiments fit. The studies fit. My hypotheses.

Instead of arguing and debating we showed try and figure gravity out, instead of throwing evidence at each other. I thought this is what a forum is for.

[Klaynos]

I have done the test, I used an EM shielding method between a mass and the earth, the shield is VERY effective and shockingly the mass did not float... why is that?

 

We can detect EM fields trivially, why do we not detect one strong enough between us and the sun? Why do you think that is? Is it because there isn't one?

[D H]

Arghhh! I was in the midst of writing an (overly long) rebuttal to Velikovsky's claims when my browser went belly up. In retrospect, there is no need. His claims have been fully falsified, repeatedly. His garbage is just that -- garbage.

 

To Peron: Explain how planets can have moons, or humans can place artificial satellites in orbit about our Moon using only electrostatic principles. (Hint: The Sun would spit the Moon out of the solar system.)

[Peron]

I have done the test, I used an EM shielding method between a mass and the earth, the shield is VERY effective and shockingly the mass did not float... why is that?

 

We can detect EM fields trivially, why do we not detect one strong enough between us and the sun? Why do you think that is? Is it because there isn't one?

 

Hmm, we have detected electrical waves so massive that the break communications between the satellites. The Auroras are caused because of electrical discharge, Jupiter one of the biggest planets in the solar system. Produces it's own radio waves.

There is enough electrical energy in space to keep the planets orbiting around the sun.

The suns Heliopause is a huge, it;s like a ocean. Now when you drop a ball in the ocean it floats, this is correct. Now imagine if you start to drain the water, in the ocean, this drain would create a swirl giving motion to the ball, the ball goes into orbit around the drain.

 

Now the sun works the same, way, remember the Tesla spinning Egg experiment, this is how our solar system works, the sun spins, making the planets spin, and experiments prove it.

How hard is it to see the facts.

[D H]

You make some rather extravagant claims. Show the math, and while you're at it, answer the question in post #17.

[Peron]

You make some rather extravagant claims. Show the math, and while you're at it, answer the question in post #17.

 

Like any other hypotheses its under funded. I don't have enough money to test all my experiments I have in my head. And about the math, I don't have that either, to tell you the truth I'm not that good at math.

 

To answer the question on post #17, we have detected, that the Earth does produce a electrical field. I am still working this but, I think that each planet does what I said the sun does.

Each planet is like a Van De Graaf Generator. Of course I cant say thats how it is, I have to do more testing. But again I'm under funded.

:-)

[Bignose]

Faraday cages (EM shielding) aren't all that expensive. People buy them routines to protect valuable computer and other electronic equipment. Why don't those computers inside the Faraday cages float?

[Klaynos]

Like any other hypotheses its under funded. I don't have enough money to test all my experiments I have in my head. And about the math, I don't have that either, to tell you the truth I'm not that good at math.

 

To answer the question on post #17, we have detected, that the Earth does produce a electrical field. I am still working this but, I think that each planet does what I said the sun does.

Each planet is like a Van De Graaf Generator. Of course I cant say thats how it is, I have to do more testing. But again I'm under funded.

:-)

 

Where does the charge come from? We could trivially measure if the earth was that charged, and we can't, if we put a metal sheet down it'd quickly get the same charge as the ground and start floating, it doesn't, depending on what charge you think the earth is then lightning would not work....

[mooeypoo]

 

To debunk something you need credible evidence and experiments. You cannot present mathematical models, and say this is how gravity works.

 

Actually, you have it backwards. To prove something you need to supply the evidence; since you're the one making a claim, you should be the one who supplies the evidence to prove your claim.

 

The current theories work just fine, explain the physics and are supported by evidence. We have no reason to reason to switch to another theory, unless you give us the reason.

 

In other words, prove it.

 

The burden of proof is on you as the claimer and not on us. Welcome to the scientific method.

[D H]

To answer the question on post #17, we have detected, that the Earth does produce a electrical field. I am still working this but, I think that each planet does what I said the sun does.

I'll make it extremely simple for you. We have extremely good kinematic observations of the sun and moon. We know that, whatever the cause, the Earth and Moon are accelerating toward one another at 2.73 millimeters/sec². We also know that, whatever the cause, the Earth and the Moon are accelerating toward the Sun at 5.93 millimeters/sec². These are facts. Gravity explains these facts quite nicely. Electrostatic models do not. If the Earth orbits the Sun solely by electrostatic attraction, one must be positively charged and the other negatively charged. If electrostatics is responsible for the Moon's orbit around the Earth, the Moon must be charged opposite that of the Earth -- the same as the Sun. Yet the Moon accelerates toward, not away from, the Sun, and with pretty much the same acceleration experienced by the Earth.

[iNow]

You're right. That was very simple. Nicely done, sir.