this is great

[Peron]

[Sisyphus]

You need to post more than a link. I'm certainly not going to click on it, and I doubt anyone else will, either. What is it, why are you posting it, what do you think about, what question do you have, etc.

[Peron]

You need to post more than a link. I'm certainly not going to click on it, and I doubt anyone else will, either. What is it, why are you posting it, what do you think about, what question do you have, etc.

 

Its not spam if thats what your asking. This video is about the design of the universe.

 

"At Serious Play 2008, astrophysicist George Smoot shows stunning new images from deep-space surveys, and prods us to ponder how the cosmos -- with its giant webs of dark matter and mysterious gaping voids -- got built this way."

[Sisyphus]

This video is about the design of the universe.

 

The what?

[iNow]

It appears to be a TED talk. Those are usually pretty outstanding, but I agree that Peron should have given a brief synopsis or talking point.

[Peron]

It appears to be a TED talk. Those are usually pretty outstanding, but I agree that Peron should have given a brief synopsis or talking point.

 

Why should i describe the video, when you can watch it, thats the point i posted the link in the first place, to share information with you.

[mooeypoo]

Why should i describe the video, when you can watch it, thats the point i posted the link in the first place, to share information with you.

 

Because it's the rules. It's also common courtesy. We're not waiting all day biting our nails just to click on a video link you post. Specifically not under the circumstances of your usual claims and the usual "evidence" you put forth; be courtious, explain what the link is about, and stop arguing with people just for the sake of argument.

Really. People asked you to put a short synopsis, the nice thing to do is put one.

~moo

[Peron]

Because it's the rules. It's also common courtesy. We're not waiting all day biting our nails just to click on a video link you post. Specifically not under the circumstances of your usual claims and the usual "evidence" you put forth; be courtious, explain what the link is about, and stop arguing with people just for the sake of argument.

Really. People asked you to put a short synopsis, the nice thing to do is put one.

~moo

 

I did when they asked, its above.

[iNow]

Why should i describe the video, when you can watch it

 

But that's just it, Peron. Sometimes I can't "just watch it." I often post while working, and while it's okay to scan text and sometimes respond, watching a video is not always an option for me. With a brief synopsis, I can decide whether or not I'm interested enough to come back and check it out at a later time, or if it will just fall into the graveyard of past posts.

 

Does that make sense? The mods made a good point too that this is a discussion forum, so it's often nice to give a point of discussion. However, sometimes by marketing your link properly, enough people will click it to start that conversation for you. What you did was say, "This is great" and post a link. For all I know, that could be porn and get my ass fired. No thanks, ya dig?

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I did when they asked, its above.

 

Thank you for that. That's all that was needed.

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[north]

 

I watched the video

 

he talks about filaments

 

sounds like Cosmic Plasmas

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when you watch this video you can the thousands upon thousands of filaments and their interactions with each other , Cosmic Plasmas in action

 

Cosmic Plasmas has been proven

 

which is the basis of Hannes Alfven theory

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wow

 

this video should change some minds and thinking upon the Universe for good

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[Peron]

The Dark Matter over time shapes the universe into filments. This is based on obsevable data.

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It appears to be a TED talk. Those are usually pretty outstanding, but I agree that Peron should have given a brief synopsis or talking point.

 

Long ago, Hannes Alfven predicted that the universe is shaped by magnetic and electric fields. Just like plasma in a lab filaments, the universe seems to be doing the same.

 

http://solarmuri.ssl.berkeley.edu/~welsch/brian/solar/glossary/filament_barb_chiralities.gif

 

Coronal Mass ejections are the cause of a huge magnetic flux, which tears away huge amounts of plasma from the sun.

 

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/solar-b/solar_005_prt.htm

 

Plasma naturally filaments along lines of magnetic fields, the plasmas produce.

 

http://schools-wikipedia.org/images/228/22849.jpg

 

Now with combined research done by, SLOAN [http://www.mpa-garching.mpg.de/SDSS/] and PLANCK [http://planck.mpa-garching.mpg.de/]

 

This data that was collected by these two cool satellites, supports the simulations done by a super computer.

 

http://www.virgo.dur.ac.uk/new/index.php?subject=millennium

 

http://www.mpa-garching.mpg.de/galform/virgo/millennium/

 

Of course you could say dark matter shapes the universe this way. But to much data points to plasmas.

[Peron]

But that's just it, Peron. Sometimes I can't "just watch it." I often post while working, and while it's okay to scan text and sometimes respond, watching a video is not always an option for me. With a brief synopsis, I can decide whether or not I'm interested enough to come back and check it out at a later time, or if it will just fall into the graveyard of past posts.

 

Does that make sense? The mods made a good point too that this is a discussion forum, so it's often nice to give a point of discussion. However, sometimes by marketing your link properly, enough people will click it to start that conversation for you. What you did was say, "This is great" and post a link. For all I know, that could be porn and get my ass fired. No thanks, ya dig?

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Thank you for that. That's all that was needed.

 

LOL So I prove you wrong and I get ignored, so this is how your religion works.

[swansont]

LOL So I prove you wrong and I get ignored, so this is how your religion works.

 

The baiting issue aside, all you did was post a bunch of links, without anything that would compel people to read them. You take a few minutes to do this, but expect people to invest time in reading all of that and then rebutting it?

 

You're damn right you're being ignored. You have given little indication that there is value in engaging you in discussion.

[Peron]

The baiting issue aside, all you did was post a bunch of links, without anything that would compel people to read them. You take a few minutes to do this, but expect people to invest time in reading all of that and then rebutting it?

 

You're damn right you're being ignored. You have given little indication that there is value in engaging you in discussion.

 

I do not have time in rewriting everything on the websites.

You follow a religion with no evidence supporting it, and when someone brings up evidence you have ignored it.

Links are there for people to check and recheck if they like.

Because my word holds no merit, unless it can be documented, catologed and easliy refrenced.

[mooeypoo]

Peron, stop trying to flame and rephrase things. We did not tell you to rewrite everything.

 

Posting a bit of an introduction to a link you post is common courtesy, as well as part of the rules. We've deleted such "link-and-run" posts before. We've given you the benefit of the doubt on this one, accept it gracefully and stop being a child.

 

And the entire beauty of the scientific method is that *EVERYONE'S* words hold no merit if they are not based on proof. You're just refusing to cooperate on the matter and insisting on presenting it as if you're the only one to be held to these standards. A brief search through the forum, or, alternatively, a brief reading of the Pseudoscience/Speculation section should prove you (and anyone else that thinks they're being held to higher standards than the rest of the members here) absolutely wrong.

 

 

You came to this forum, we didn't come to you. If you want to stay here and keep debating, you should follow our rules of conduct. Quite simple.

[Mr Skeptic]

You follow a religion with no evidence supporting it, and when someone brings up evidence you have ignored it.

 

The point is that you didn't bring up evidence. I could say, the evidence is right here on my table, why are you ignoring it? The point being that some people can't watch your video, either due to work policies or sometimes not having the right bits in their browser. And given your attitude, I doubt anyone would want to go far out of their way just for you, and why should they?

[iNow]

And given your attitude, I doubt anyone would want to go far out of their way just for you, and why should they?

 

And that would be precisely why I didn't respond. I didn't care enough to waste my time on this particular thread.

[Peron]

The baiting issue aside, all you did was post a bunch of links, without anything that would compel people to read them. You take a few minutes to do this, but expect people to invest time in reading all of that and then rebutting it?

 

You're damn right you're being ignored. You have given little indication that there is value in engaging you in discussion.

 

The universe is 99.9% plasma. We can see, even hear this plasma.

 

There are huge magnetic and electric currents in space, these currents shape the plasma. We can see this happening.

 

Here: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0702/cmesun_soho_big.jpg

 

And here:http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0506/m2-9b_hst_big.jpg

 

Also Birkeland currents have been observed in the labs, and in space.

 

Here are some links to show what a Birkeland current is, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birkeland_current

 

http://www.lucistrust.org/var/storage/images/dev/in_progress/the_electric_bridge/presentation/the_electric_bridge/illustrations/e_gods_d1/143409-1-eng-GB/e_gods_d1_large.jpg

 

Notice the spiral in that picture. It looks like a galaxy, coincedence??

 

I dont think so. I think galaxies are shaped by not only gravity but also electric and magnetic fields!!

 

Exciting stuff.

 

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/images/040913plasma-galaxy.jpg

 

like so. and here is labetory experiments, http://www.plasma-universe.com/index.php/Image:Fig-262.jpg

 

This is crazy stuff!

 

There is more stuff all over the internets.

[mooeypoo]

So you're showing evidence of the universe containing plasma.

Then you leap to a conclusion that since plasma coils are similar to galaxies in shape, then galaxies' shapes are affected by electric/magnetic fields.

 

That's quite a leap.

 

Beyond that, not all galaxies are spiral, so not all of them look like the plasma coils. On top of that, electric/magnetic fields are not the only thing affecting plasma.

 

So.. again. That's quite a leap.

 

~moo

[Peron]

So you're showing evidence of the universe containing plasma.

Then you leap to a conclusion that since plasma coils are similar to galaxies in shape, then galaxies' shapes are affected by electric/magnetic fields.

 

That's quite a leap.

 

Beyond that, not all galaxies are spiral, so not all of them look like the plasma coils. On top of that, electric/magnetic fields are not the only thing affecting plasma.

 

So.. again. That's quite a leap.

 

~moo

 

It is a fact that plasma is easier to manipulate with magnetic fields, then with any other force. The suns surface is drive by magnetic fields. Most of the nebulas we see are driven by mag fields. Its not a giant leap to say that huge currents (which have been detected) have been shaping the galaxies.

 

Not all galaxies are spiral, but dont forget that magnetic and electric fields can take any shape. Plus, gravity conflicts with magnetic fields all the time.

 

http://www.plasma-universe.com/index.php/Texts:On_Possible_Electric_Phenomena_in_Solar_Systems_and_Nebulae

 

Most of the stuff i should was prooven science.

 

but my biggest question to the universe is can stars form by a huge z pinch?

 

Like so, http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0506/m2-9b_hst_big.jpg

 

Could a huge electric current pinch a pocket of gas, causeing fusion?

Could a star actuelly form like this?

[swansont]

It is a fact that plasma is easier to manipulate with magnetic fields, then with any other force. The suns surface is drive by magnetic fields. Most of the nebulas we see are driven by mag fields. Its not a giant leap to say that huge currents (which have been detected) have been shaping the galaxies.

 

Actually it is a giant leap to say that. Magnetic fields are dipoles, which drop off as 1/r^3, or higher order multipoles that drop off even faster. It's one thing to have a star or stellar nebula influenced by a magnetic field, but that doesn't scale up by the ~ 8 orders of magnitude difference between the size of a solar system and the size of a galaxy.

[mooeypoo]

Galaxies don't just appear in a spiral shape, there are more than one type of galaxies. Check out this site: http://www.astro.cornell.edu/academics/courses/astro201/galaxies/types.htm about types of classification of galaxies.

 

Among others:

 

• Elliptical Galaxy:
   
  
   
  
  
• Spiral Galaxy:
   
  
   
  
  
• Irregular Galaxy:
   
  
  

(source: http://www.astro.cornell.edu/academics/courses/astro201/galaxies/types.htm)

 

Also, this is a nice snippet from the university of Oregon site (source at the bottom):

How did galaxies get that way?

 

• The simplest explanation is that
  
  • if all the gas is made into stars before the gas has time to form a disk, then you get an elliptical galaxy.
    
  • if the gas has time to stabalize into a disk before it is all used up, then you get a spiral galaxy.
    

   

  [*]Or perhaps some of the elliptical galaxies are made from merging of other types of galaxies.

  • Observations of distant galaxies indicates that spiral galaxies were more common in the past than they are today.
    
  • So maybe yesterday's spirals are todays ellipticals.
    

   

  [*] This is an active research area. One problem is that if most of the mass in galaxies is unaccounted for, we have a hard time understanding the dynamics of galaxy formation.

(source: http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~soper/Galaxies/types.html)

[Peron]

Actually it is a giant leap to say that. Magnetic fields are dipoles, which drop off as 1/r^3, or higher order multipoles that drop off even faster. It's one thing to have a star or stellar nebula influenced by a magnetic field, but that doesn't scale up by the ~ 8 orders of magnitude difference between the size of a solar system and the size of a galaxy.

 

Magnetic fields and electric fields are all over the galaxy. Huge currents constantly move from the center and out thruogh the spirals.

 

http://images.nrao.edu/Galaxy/Spiral/336

 

Notice the red areas more electrical activity there. The more stars the more electrical activity.

[mooeypoo]

Magnetic fields and electric fields are all over the galaxy. Huge currents constantly move from the center and out thruogh the spirals.

 

http://images.nrao.edu/Galaxy/Spiral/336

 

Notice the red areas more electrical activity there. The more stars the more electrical activity.

That doesn't mean they're the only (or the major) effect on Galaxy shape.

 

Your logic does not follow, and it does not fit the other galaxy types that exist in the universe.

[Peron]

Galaxies don't just appear in a spiral shape, there are more than one type of galaxies. Check out this site: http://www.astro.cornell.edu/academics/courses/astro201/galaxies/types.htm about types of classification of galaxies.

 

Among others:

 

• Elliptical Galaxy:
   
  
   
  
  
• Spiral Galaxy:
   
  
   
  
  
• Irregular Galaxy:
   
  
  

(source: http://www.astro.cornell.edu/academics/courses/astro201/galaxies/types.htm)

 

Also, this is a nice snippet from the university of Oregon site (source at the bottom):

(source: http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~soper/Galaxies/types.html)

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchrotron_radiation#Synchrotron_radiation_in_astronomy

 

Maybe, the irregular galaxies are the death of spiral galaxies. The galaxy has fed on the gas and matter, forming stars that are dieing, at least thats my idea.