jowo Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 I have a swimming pool. Of course algae is always a problem and I use chlorine and copper sulphate together with maintaining the proper pH to keep it under control. However, I'm wondering whether algae could simply be electrocuted? Obviously there would need to be extremely careful controls but would dipping the positive end of a 220v AC cable into the water at one end of the pool and the negative at the other end, then turning on the power for a few seconds kill algae? I've spent some time searching the Internet for any reference to using high voltage electricity as an alternative method of controlling algae but have found nothing.
iNow Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 I doubt it. Electrocution kills people and animals because it screws up the electric signals in the brain and heart. Algae is much simpler, lacking nervous and pulminary systems, and likely won't be as impacted by the change in voltage. I really don't know, though. The above is just a guess. I'm sure someone can come in after me and post an actual answer grounded in real understanding.
DrDNA Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 IObviously there would need to be extremely careful controls but would dipping the positive end of a 220v AC cable into the water at one end of the pool and the negative at the other end, then turning on the power for a few seconds kill algae? No. 1. Your circuit breakers wouldn't allow anything of any consequence to happen before they blew. 2. There is no such thing as a positive and negative pole in AC (alternating current) 3. Unless your pool is well insulated, the shortest route to ground probably is not the opposite end of the pool. Most likely the plumbing nearest your point of entry is. If you ever decide to bypass the circuit breakers, please let me know. It would certainly be a hit on YouTube.
Fyre4Man Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 No, since algae is a simple type of orgnaism, and I believe it's prokaryotic it can be harmed.
Sisyphus Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 As others have said, the biggest hazard of electric shock to humans is overloading the nervous system, which can stop the heart and lungs among other effects. But that’s not the only hazard – a more straightforward one is simply burning. Where electricity meets resistance, it heats up everything in its path (that’s what an electric stove is), and since the body is not nearly as good a conductor as something like a copper wire, very high voltage passing through you is going to fry your insides along the route the current takes. I’m guessing it would also fry algae, so no, they’re not immune to electricity. That said, I still doubt you’d be able to make it work, for the reasons DrDNA mentions. It would also be very dangerous to try to get around those obstacles, so I discourage the attempt.
Mr Skeptic Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 I've seen trees survive a direct hit by lightning, though it did take significant damage. Plants aren't nearly as susceptible to electricity as humans because they don't have a nervous system that could be stopped, their heart won't stop, etc. And electrifying your pool is just asking for a Darwin Award, so just don't.
insane_alien Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 also, considering the size of algae and the size of the pool and the voltage difference, the voltage across the algae is going to be in the microvolt region if not nanovolts.
jowo Posted March 13, 2009 Author Posted March 13, 2009 OK, Thanks to all. I won't try it! (Well, perhaps on a small scale with a petri dish and a 12 volt battery!)
DrDNA Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 I've seen trees survive a direct hit by lightning, though it did take significant damage. I believe that tree damage due to lightening strikes is 'primarily' a consequence of the cells boiling and exploding in the direct path between the strike and ground.....hence, sometimes, only one side of a tree suffers very severe damage while the other side looks relatively unharmed. Someone, please correct me if this is incorrect.
SkepticLance Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Ozone is an excellent algicide, and is made by discharging electricity through air. You can control algae in a private pool in this way, and there are commercial products to make the ozone. Just on the side, if you use copper sulfate, remember that it is incompatible with aluminium. If you have aluminium ladders or rails, you will see the copper corrode them.
Externet Posted March 22, 2009 Posted March 22, 2009 I would venture to say that if the algae and organisms have cells, they will be ruptured by the pass of electric current and die, in seconds. And the 220VAC live or phase wire, if its other return neutral is grounded, you do not need to submerge both in the pool centre. The phase wire will create the current towards the body of the pool. The circuit breaker does not need to trip, the current can be easily limited with a light bulb in series: 220VAC--------breaker or fuse--------bulb-----------water---------pool surfaces(Ground) Obviously any grounded metal attached to the pool surfaces will concentrate the current towards its sorroundings. I would try. Nothing to lose. No risks of anything if done with common sense and safety precaution. You don't throw a live wire to the pool. You dip them first and then turn on. The highest the wattage of the 220V light bulb, the highest the current forced trough the water. And ions from chemicals in the water, also will increase the current. If the 220VAC is two phases, floating from ground, you can dip both in the pool ends as you say, with the bulb in series. It won't trip any breaker.
lifestream Posted March 24, 2009 Posted March 24, 2009 well instead of electrocuting, use high resistance wires in water and just boil whole pool and let it cool down ( well electric bill will be pretty high)
cameron marical Posted March 28, 2009 Posted March 28, 2009 And electrifying your pool is just asking for a Darwin Award, so just don't asking for a darwin award? what do you mean? well instead of electrocuting, use high resistance wires in water and just boil whole pool and let it cool down ( well electric bill will be pretty high) i think that would use alot of uneeded excess energy.
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