Iraqi Torture

[Tesseract]

The few people that commited the torture didnt represent the whole army.But I think a US general would.The new case with Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez.Hes acused by another officer Capt. Donald J. Reese that he and other senoirs participated in the abuse and new of it.

Here are some sites:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/23/abuse.sanchez.ap/index.html

and

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/CE3E5873-6B9B-4F02-82FE-63BBBD4F713D.htm

 

What are your thoughts?

[Sayonara]

One thing I do notice is that the articles are very similar, despite the sources.

[Tesseract]

One thing I do[/i'] notice is that the articles are very similar, despite the sources.

 

Which probably means they are true.

[Cap'n Refsmmat]

[edit] Tesseract already posted my link...

[Tesseract]

[url']http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/23/abuse.sanchez.ap/index.html[/url]

 

Yes I already posted that link?

[Cap'n Refsmmat]

Whoops... I thought your links were saying he did, and I had one saying he didn't.

[Tesseract]

Whoops... I thought your links were saying he did, and I had one saying he didn't.

 

Nooooo, I just had links to info sources.

[blike]

Capt. Robert Shuck, represents Staff Sgt. Ivan L. "Chip" Frederick II, one of seven members of the 372nd Military Police Company facing criminal charges for abusing Iraqi inmates. Reese is the company commander.

 

So he's being accused by the defense lawyer for one of the abusers, big suprise there.

 

U.S. military officials have said there is no evidence that Sanchez or other senior military officers were aware of the prisoner abuse while it was happening.

 

Seriously though, stop trying to make out the whole army to be what it's not. Every tree has bad fruit and even some bad branches. Thats why we employ a gardener.

[Tesseract]

I want to know how that bad fruit got to being a general.

[Cap'n Refsmmat]

What happens if he isn't a bad fruit and they are lies?

 

I support what Blike says, I mean, look at Vietnam. Supposedly troops put bombs in coke bottles and gave them to kids, who took them into enemy encampments and were blown up (by the bottle).

[Skye]

You want the truth....

[Tesseract]

What happens if he isn't a bad fruit and they are lies?

 

Well thats what were here to discuss isnt it?

[Tesseract]

You want the truth....

 

what are you saying?

[blike]

I want to know how that bad fruit got to being a general.

 

Assuming this pans out to be true, that's an excellent question.

[atinymonkey]

The army breeds an odd sort of individual. If your trained to kill, and implement that training it a variety of countrys, it leads to an odd mindset. If a person can't reconcile what they do with who they once were, they can become detached from normality.

 

That's my nice way of saying the Army breeds tw@ts. Civil enough on the outside, seething masses of anger on the inside. I know a couple of high ranking ones, and to be honest they are they guys who get the job done.

[Tesseract]

I know a couple of high ranking ones, and to be honest they are they guys who get the job done.

 

The problem is these angry people that should be speaking with therapists are commanding armies to kill people.To me that presents a problem.

[admiral_ju00]

You want the truth....

 

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH

 

(this wasn't meant for anybody in particular here)

[atinymonkey]

Just to keep it all on track, there have been no allegations of torture.

[Tesseract]

Just to keep it all on track, there have been no allegations of torture.

Only hugs and kisses, a few rapes, broken limbs and photo ops with thumbs up.

[Sayonara]

Some of the accused soldiers have said they were under orders to "soften up" prisoners before interrogation.

 

Whether or not that is torture depends on your definition, but it certainly makes me wonder what the interrogations themselves would have been like.

[Tesseract]

The definition of torture is:#

 

1. infliction of severe physical pain as a means of punishment or coercion.

2. An instrument or a method for inflicting such pain.

 

# Excruciating physical or mental pain; agony: the torture of waiting in suspense.

# Something causing severe pain or anguish.

 

I think they were torturing.

[Sayonara]

I was thinking more along the lines of whether a sustainable legal case could be made.

 

You know; in the court hearings you were posting about? Don't tell me you forgot the topic of your own thread

[Tesseract]

:-pBy the way the Nick Berg killing video is false and was done by the soldiers in Abu Gharib prison.Heres the link if you want to decide for yourself.Just remember to read the whole page.

http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_east_full_story.asp?service_id=2020

[atinymonkey]

The definition of torture is:#

 

1. infliction of severe physical pain as a means of punishment or coercion.

2. An instrument or a method for inflicting such pain.

 

# Excruciating physical or mental pain; agony: the torture of waiting in suspense.

# Something causing severe pain or anguish.

 

I think they were torturing.

 

I'm afraid it's not really seen that way. I don't know what your aware of in terms of prison ethics, but both Turkey and France have prisoners who would be happy to swap establishments.

[Tesseract]

I was thinking more along the lines of whether a sustainable legal case could be made.

 

You know; in the court hearings you were posting about? Don't tell me you forgot the topic of your own thread

 

 

I dont think that torture should ever be used in interrogation.