Tesseract Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 The few people that commited the torture didnt represent the whole army.But I think a US general would.The new case with Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez.Hes acused by another officer Capt. Donald J. Reese that he and other senoirs participated in the abuse and new of it. Here are some sites: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/23/abuse.sanchez.ap/index.html and http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/CE3E5873-6B9B-4F02-82FE-63BBBD4F713D.htm What are your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 One thing I do notice is that the articles are very similar, despite the sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract Posted May 23, 2004 Author Share Posted May 23, 2004 One thing I do[/i'] notice is that the articles are very similar, despite the sources. Which probably means they are true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 [edit] Tesseract already posted my link... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract Posted May 23, 2004 Author Share Posted May 23, 2004 [url']http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/23/abuse.sanchez.ap/index.html[/url] Yes I already posted that link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 Whoops... I thought your links were saying he did, and I had one saying he didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract Posted May 23, 2004 Author Share Posted May 23, 2004 Whoops... I thought your links were saying he did, and I had one saying he didn't. Nooooo, I just had links to info sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blike Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 Capt. Robert Shuck, represents Staff Sgt. Ivan L. "Chip" Frederick II, one of seven members of the 372nd Military Police Company facing criminal charges for abusing Iraqi inmates. Reese is the company commander. So he's being accused by the defense lawyer for one of the abusers, big suprise there. U.S. military officials have said there is no evidence that Sanchez or other senior military officers were aware of the prisoner abuse while it was happening. Seriously though, stop trying to make out the whole army to be what it's not. Every tree has bad fruit and even some bad branches. Thats why we employ a gardener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract Posted May 23, 2004 Author Share Posted May 23, 2004 I want to know how that bad fruit got to being a general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 What happens if he isn't a bad fruit and they are lies? I support what Blike says, I mean, look at Vietnam. Supposedly troops put bombs in coke bottles and gave them to kids, who took them into enemy encampments and were blown up (by the bottle). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skye Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 You want the truth.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract Posted May 23, 2004 Author Share Posted May 23, 2004 What happens if he isn't a bad fruit and they are lies? Well thats what were here to discuss isnt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract Posted May 23, 2004 Author Share Posted May 23, 2004 You want the truth.... what are you saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blike Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 I want to know how that bad fruit got to being a general. Assuming this pans out to be true, that's an excellent question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atinymonkey Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 The army breeds an odd sort of individual. If your trained to kill, and implement that training it a variety of countrys, it leads to an odd mindset. If a person can't reconcile what they do with who they once were, they can become detached from normality. That's my nice way of saying the Army breeds tw@ts. Civil enough on the outside, seething masses of anger on the inside. I know a couple of high ranking ones, and to be honest they are they guys who get the job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract Posted May 23, 2004 Author Share Posted May 23, 2004 I know a couple of high ranking ones, and to be honest they are they guys who get the job done. The problem is these angry people that should be speaking with therapists are commanding armies to kill people.To me that presents a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiral_ju00 Posted May 24, 2004 Share Posted May 24, 2004 You want the truth.... YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH (this wasn't meant for anybody in particular here) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atinymonkey Posted May 24, 2004 Share Posted May 24, 2004 Just to keep it all on track, there have been no allegations of torture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract Posted May 24, 2004 Author Share Posted May 24, 2004 Just to keep it all on track, there have been no allegations of torture. Only hugs and kisses, a few rapes, broken limbs and photo ops with thumbs up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted May 24, 2004 Share Posted May 24, 2004 Some of the accused soldiers have said they were under orders to "soften up" prisoners before interrogation. Whether or not that is torture depends on your definition, but it certainly makes me wonder what the interrogations themselves would have been like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract Posted May 24, 2004 Author Share Posted May 24, 2004 The definition of torture is:# 1. infliction of severe physical pain as a means of punishment or coercion. 2. An instrument or a method for inflicting such pain. # Excruciating physical or mental pain; agony: the torture of waiting in suspense. # Something causing severe pain or anguish. I think they were torturing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted May 24, 2004 Share Posted May 24, 2004 I was thinking more along the lines of whether a sustainable legal case could be made. You know; in the court hearings you were posting about? Don't tell me you forgot the topic of your own thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract Posted May 24, 2004 Author Share Posted May 24, 2004 :-pBy the way the Nick Berg killing video is false and was done by the soldiers in Abu Gharib prison.Heres the link if you want to decide for yourself.Just remember to read the whole page. http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_east_full_story.asp?service_id=2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atinymonkey Posted May 24, 2004 Share Posted May 24, 2004 The definition of torture is:# 1. infliction of severe physical pain as a means of punishment or coercion. 2. An instrument or a method for inflicting such pain. # Excruciating physical or mental pain; agony: the torture of waiting in suspense. # Something causing severe pain or anguish. I think they were torturing. I'm afraid it's not really seen that way. I don't know what your aware of in terms of prison ethics, but both Turkey and France have prisoners who would be happy to swap establishments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract Posted May 24, 2004 Author Share Posted May 24, 2004 I was thinking more along the lines of whether a sustainable legal case could be made. You know; in the court hearings you were posting about? Don't tell me you forgot the topic of your own thread I dont think that torture should ever be used in interrogation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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