blike Posted June 23, 2004 Author Share Posted June 23, 2004 That sucks. After about five minutes of that, they could have my firstborn if they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glider Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 Yeah, it's a bugger ain't it? The Army tends to use that one (among others) as a 'training aid' for anyone who screws up. It usually involves holding your rifle or a drill shell out at arms length too, which doesn't seem to make it any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skye Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 And yet add nightclub music and someone in lycra yelling 'feel the burrrrrrn' and people will pay twenty bucks an hour for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgerlica Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 Inhumane maybe, but not torture. Read The Gulag Archipellago , and that my friend is torture. I am in no way condoning the MP's actions. In fact I detest MP to no end. However I do feel that this situation has been blown out of proportion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matter Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 I would like someone to watch the videos I have seen of the torture inflicted under Sadam and also view the Abu Ghraib videos/pictures and compare them. If you want linkage to the videos just ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 are you trying to justify the iraq war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 I already think it's justifiable, but that's different. He's saying that the Abu Garaib thing was definitely not as bad as what Saddam did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matter Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 I'm just talking about torture really. I'm talking about most of the worlds reaction to the pictures and video from Abu Ghraib. If you want to put Abu Ghraib into perspective you have to see video of other forms of torture. I'm not defending torture either, I just think how the world responded was really weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 torture is unacceptable in any situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matter Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 I don't consider sleep deprivation torture though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 hah, i'd like to see what would happen to you if you were awake for weeks on end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 the chinese tortured people by slowly dripping water on their heads btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glider Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 Inhumane maybe, but not torture. Read The Gulag Archipellago[/u'] , and that my friend is torture. I am in no way condoning the MP's actions. In fact I detest MP to no end. However I do feel that this situation has been blown out of proportion. Torture is torture, though I concede there are degrees of torture. Torture is defined as the causing of pain or suffering to punish somebody or to get them to do something, and is, by definition, inhumane. 'Inhumane' is not a degree of torture, it is an underpinning element. I don't consider sleep deprivation torture though. Clearly, you have never tried it. I'm glad of that. Torture does not have to be either brutal or violent to be effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiral_ju00 Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 hah, i'd like to see what would happen to you if you were awake for weeks on end I can't remember the guys name or the time he did it(50's or 60's - something like that) but I do know that a guy, a radio operator devised himself a challenge to stay awake for as long as he can and at the same time being on the air the whole time. I believe he only lasted about 80 hours or so w/o sleep(could be more or less, don't recall the details) but at the end he was about to go postal(he exhibited lots of psychological issues), and if he would have gone longer, he probably would have died. But I believe that Glider has already covered that aspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodhound Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 torture should never be used in integration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 What happens if the subject has information that will save a billion lives that he won't tell you? You claim it never happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glider Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Then torture will cause him/her to suffer, but it won't necessarily make them tell you the truth, and if they did, would you recognise it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 It's an interesting moral choice. Would inflicting some pain on one person be justified if it would prevent or relieve a greater quantity of pain from another person or peoples? In practice i think torture is wrong for both practical and moral reasons, but it's possible to imagine certain circumstances where the moral argument would be difficult. The old saying that 'hard cases make bad law' seems to apply. Better to stick to principle and simply reject all torture as unjustifiable, even if in certain ciurcumstances arguments and justifications could be attempted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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