Social Unacceptence

[sobe]

thanks cap'n

also, i dont believ that ones sexuality has anything to do with testosterone production, though i will check into it, ill be sure to post my findings.

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i found this online book souly on testosterones link or lack-there-of (i dono i havnt read it fully yet, im working on it)

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://books.google.com/books?id=cl9hDsHq5UIC&pg=PA129&lpg=PA129&dq=homosexuality+and+testosterone+production&source=bl&ots=lF3Uww7_Qh&sig=8OkUXMNMAl_WvpbMEtHqeCr-SWk&hl=en&ei=ZR3cSa7BG4KMtgeH__CCDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#PPP7,M1

[mooeypoo]

It's also worth mentioning that the first source is from 1974 (Plasma Testosterone Levels in Homosexual Men) - The common psychological concepts about homosexuality went through EXTREME changes through the 1980s. That, by itself, is not to say that the source is unreliable, but it does shed some light about the common thought that was at the time - one that the psychological community ended up admitting as probably wrong.

 

Well making fun of someone who's gay is like making fun of someont who's fat or uncool... It's not in essence racism or anything like that, but still it's not very good.

It's bigottry in all three cases, but your comparison is slightly lacking: being fat and drinking are two things that are usually considered as choices (whether being fat is a choice or not can be debatable, but that doesn't change the fact it's usually thought of as being a *changeable* 'property' of a person).

Homosexuality is not, by most common thoughts of the day, a choice. Either nature or nurture, most psychologists and scientists agree it is not something you can just decide to change. Ignore, maybe. But not change.

 

Just like you can't really change the color of your skin, you can't change your sexual orientation. If "making fun" of black people is racist and bigotted, so is "making fun" of homosexuals. I see no difference.

 

Although idk, where I live, I really don't see people who are obviously gay get made fun of... maybe it's cause I live in California, lol.

"Obviously" Gay? Seeing as I am part of this community, I can tell you straight up (pun intended) that I have quite a lot of friends - male and female - whom you would *never* -- ever ever in your wildest dreams, and some do dream about it -- that they're gay or bisexual. I even know a transgendered whom you would seriously never know the difference until you look in her pants.

 

"Obviously" is not a parameter.

 

And ok, I'm sure there are a lot of manly gay people, in the sense that they are agressive or strong or whatever....

Is that how you define manly?

That said, read my previous point. Maybe you should go out to more gay bars and see some of those "manly" gays for yourself, if you think personal incredulity is a valid argument.

 

I meant it more in a masculine sort of way. And this applies more not to the 'bears' if im guessing what you mean correctly, but the other ones.

Again, read up.

 

Personal incredulity is not a valid argument, coke. The fact you don't KNOW of any "manly" homosexuals (perhaps because most gay people don't wear their sexual preferences on their t-shirts and wave the pride-flag, and when they're not "obviously" gay you would never know. Ironic, eh?) does not mean those don't exist.

 

 

Other than that, I must ask -- isn't this thread about social acceptance? What does this have to do with sexual acceptance?

[sobe]

thanks mooey

 

 

as for how this moved from social unacceptence to sexual unacceptence, we started with gay unacceptence in sociaty and it moved into this direction and got pretty fueled, but feel free to talk about any social unacceptence, as that is the general topic

[mooeypoo]

I was just wondering if the way people acted ("obvious" thing) was an excuse of society's non-acceptance of gays.

 

That's not a very good excuse.

[sobe]

can you please explain, i dont quite understand

[mooeypoo]

If Gays are suffering from social unacceptance (which I agree they do, some places more, some places less, but they do in general), and the discussion ends up talking about "obvious" gay behaviour, it sounds as if this is used as an excuse for why there is social unacceptance.

 

I am not sure if that was the purpose of raising this issue, which is why I was wondering about it, but it seemed that way to me, so I am wondering if coke can, perhaps, explain the purpose of raising the issue in a thread about social accpetance, that's all.

[sobe]

well that would be my fault i suppose

 

 

i brought up the gay unaceptence in the first place, but i meant homosexuality in general, like why people care about sexual preferences and all that, then the disscusion wenton its corse and hear we are

[mooeypoo]

well that would be my fault i suppose

 

 

i brought up the gay unaceptence in the first place, but i meant homosexuality in general, like why people care about sexual preferences and all that, then the disscusion wenton its corse and hear we are

The gay acceptance specifically is less of a problem for this thread, I was just wondering specifically about raising the claim about "obvious" gay behaviour. That's not your claim, it's coke's claim, and I am wondering if he could explain how this relates to the matter of gays and social acceptance.

[sobe]

ooooohh, i see, i follow you now, just a bit slow today i suppose lol

[a p f e l b l u m e n]

why is it that people cant accept that there are people who find the same sex attractive? iv seen this more so in men than women, and i have no idea why, especialy when if a guy is gay, doesnt that mean more of a chance for a strait guy to get a girl? any one have any ideas on the matter?

 

one could reason that because all of the social classical conditioning society has been put through, society now looks upon down upon anything that is strange or different, anything that isn't perceived as 'the norm.' historically, the bible has had a lot of influence on the way we view things. homosexuality, bisexuality, etc. are viewed as strange by the majority of the public because the presence of the the bible and other major religious works; they have conditioned society into believing that homosexual/bisexual relationships are wrong, by describing all perfect relationships as heterosexual and monogamous.

 

i think now as society becomes more liberal and free-thinking, restraints on the 'rights' of sexuality will lessen and one day it won't matter what gender a person prefers because like hetero relationships, homo/bi relationships will have joined the ranks of what we view as normal. people are mostly afraid of these kinds of topics because they're ignorant. in my experience, men are more ignorant about what it means to be gay than women are. most men aren't educated about what it is or are uncomfortable learning about what it means to be homosexual, so they perceive rumors and lies as the truth which further distorts reality. perhaps if everyone learned about lesbian and gay relationships as well as straight early on than this social awkwardness regarding sexuality wouldn't be so much of an issue?