Hydrogen Isotopes

[YT2095]

H1 we`re all familiar with, but H2 and H3 (Deuterium and Tritium) Hydrogen isotopes as found in "heavy water".

I`de like to know if H2 or H3 can exist as a gas or form a Hydride, 2 questions in one really.

I`m interested in the properties of these, especialy as a gas, and potentialy in reactions that employ Neutrons as part of the reaction process.

 

thanx all

[swansont]

As a gas, yes for deuterium. I imagine as a hydride as well. Tritium also forms a gas.

[budullewraagh]

boiling point of deuterium=-249.49° C

boiling point of tritium= i couldn't find it, but i could imagine it would be a bit higher than that of deuterium.

 

i'm sure that deuterium and tritium can form hydrides; atomic mass doesn't change bonding properties.

[YT2095]

I was wondering if DNO3 or TNO3 could exist instead of HNO3?

 

and would there be anyway to free the excess Neutron in a tritium reaction?

[budullewraagh]

I was wondering if DNO3 or TNO3 could exist instead of HNO3?

sure, in fact, you probably have synthesized quite a quantity of DNO3 and perhaps a bit of TNO3 in all your HNO3 syntheses. there's a deuterium isotope for every 6,000 protium atoms. again, the atomic mass doesn't effect bonding properties; you will be able to make HNO3, DNO3, TNO3, H2SO4, D2SO4,T2SO4, CH3COOH, CH3COOD, CH3COOT, CH2DCOOT, CHDTCOOH, etc etc.

 

and would there be anyway to free the excess Neutron in a tritium reaction?

nuclear fusion of 2 deuterium atoms yields a neutron and He3. fusion of deuterium and tritium yields a neutron and He4. the half-lives of D and T are both quite long...

no, there is no sane way to forcefully remove a neutron from deuterium or tritium.

[YT2095]

I`ll be the judge of what`s sane and what isn`t )

 

I know lithium deuteride can be used as a yeild enhancement when cased around an atomic device, I was thinking of something much more sedate

[aommaster]

I was wondering if DNO3 or TNO3 could exist instead of HNO3?

 

and would there be anyway to free the excess Neutron in a tritium reaction?

 

I was just thinking about this a little more, then, it dawned to me. Why shouldn't it form DNO3 and TNO3? Since they both are isotopes of hydrogen, they behave exactly or very similarly as normal hydrogen!

[YT2095]

chemicaly they should be identical as near as dammit

I`m just wondering how the the excess neutron can be exploited as a potential energy source?

an whether it could be liberated during a powerful chemical reaction perhaps?

[aommaster]

That is not any of my business. They use these isotopes of hydrogen (as heavy water) when making the hydrogen bomb. I think it is because of these neutrons, it meakes them give off lots of energy. When a hydrogen bomb is being detonated, it produces nuclear fusion and behaves like a star! Similar, not exactly though!

[YT2095]

yup, this I`m fully aware of

 

thnx anyway

[budullewraagh]

I was just thinking about this a little more, then, it dawned to me. Why shouldn't it form DNO3 and TNO3? Since they both are isotopes of hydrogen, they behave exactly or very similarly as normal hydrogen!

i guess you missed my previous post:\

 

I`m just wondering how the the excess neutron can be exploited as a potential energy source?

an whether it could be liberated during a powerful chemical reaction perhaps?

the neutrons can be exploited...think fusion. that's the only way. it's impossible to have a chemical reaction that yields a neutron. only nuclear reactions can do so. radioactive decay fusion and fission.

[swansont]

chemicaly they should be identical as near as dammit

I`m just wondering how the the excess neutron can be exploited as a potential energy source?

an whether it could be liberated during a powerful chemical reaction perhaps?

 

That's the kind of thinking that Pons and Fleischmann had. The reality is that no, you aren't going to get nuclear reactions with chemistry - there are a few orders of magnitude difference in the energy scale between the two.

[YT2095]

if it can exist as a gas, and that gas is under low pressure and an electrical charge passed through it to make a plasma, like a neon sign but using Tritium gas instead of neon. I`m wondering if the neutrons could be freed up?

 

then as an extention doing the same thing using an Ionic solid containing the Tritum isotope, giving a much more dense source that would last longer

[swansont]

if it can exist as a gas' date=' and that gas is under low pressure and an electrical charge passed through it to make a plasma, like a neon sign but using Tritium gas instead of neon. I`m wondering if the neutrons could be freed up?

 

then as an extention doing the same thing using an Ionic solid containing the Tritum isotope, giving a much more dense source that would last longer [/quote']

 

The ionization energy of Hydrogen is 13.6 eV. The energy to remove a neutron from T is 6.25 MeV.

[YT2095]

Hmmmm. 6,25`s a bit out of the question here, just a fraction under 1mev sure, then we`de be cooking with gas

 

not to worry, it was just 1 of a few ideas I was bashing around for the sake of the old grey matter

 

 

Cheerz