Vaccinations Linked to Cancer?

[ggeekk]

Does anyone who has knowledge about vaccinations and or cancer have any ideas on the matter of cancer being linked possibly to vaccinations...any vaccines and any cancer too. Not just limited to a specific type of cancer or vaccine, just in general could there be a link between vaccines and cancer?

 

 

This is not a 'crap' font...Don't read my posts then.

 

And I didn't HEAR anything. I HAVE IDEAS OF MY OWN! I was asking a question, you shouldn't answer questions. Thanks for your opinion but I know what a vaccine is.

Edited July 6, 2009 by eaxred
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[insane_alien]

please don't use blue text and a crap font, it makes your post hard to read.

 

if vaccinations caused cancer in any significant amount we would have seen it by now, and also the diseases the vaccines prevent would also cause cancer.

 

a vaccine is just a weakened version of the disease in saline with some preservatives. there is nothing special about it and it has all undergone intensive studies to make sure it doesn't cause harm.

 

what you have probably heard is FUD(fear, uncertainty and doubt) from anti-vaccine proponents who have claimed everything from vaccines being nazi mind control schemes to space lizards attempts to sterilize the population of earth to allow for a bloodless invasion.

[CharonY]

If one posts here, I assume it is for others to read. Being readable is an advantage in this regard. And as already noted there are no good links between cancer and vaccines. In fact given the nature of the vaccines (as insane pointed out) combined with the way cancer cells normally arise, there is also no likely mechanisms by which it could happen. Also, if you have an idea, better be prepared to provide sufficient evidence. There are for some reasons groups out there that advocate against vaccinations, without providing scientific evidence.

[Mokele]

It's also worth noting that vaccines are not just used on humans - domestic dogs and cats are vaccinated for a wide variety of diseases, as are agricultural animals such as sheep and cows.

 

These animals are all mammals, thus share pretty much all of their fundamental, cell-level biology with humans, but are kept in carefully controlled environments in very large numbers over many, many generations.

 

If there *were* a problem with vaccines, we'd see it in animals too, and probably more easily due to the above list of factors.

[Cap'n Refsmmat]

I recall my local vet says he gives vaccinations to animals in a different spot every year due to the risk of cancer (or some other problem, I don't recall correctly) if vaccinations are given in the same place every year.

 

I'll do some research.

 

edit: http://www.whale.to/a/vets1.html blames it on the adjuvant and says it's limited to cats. Interesting, but not necessarily the best source.

 

A link from Cornell University: http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/brochures/vaccsarc.html

[Sau1us]

This only probable cause for cancer generation fr a vaccine would be the inclusion of certain epitotes that generate an immune response but that act on cell cycle progression, I.E. makes the cell divide rapidly to further the virus's infection. Off hand I can't name any specific genes, but at the same time, I can't imagine that kind of gene would be included in the shot.

[Einherjar]

Never heard of any relationship between vaccines and cancer, not even statistical. About the veterinary adjuvant issue, I don't know, but it may be possible, I would like to know more, but that is probably a compromise in animals for prevention of a bigger problem. In human vaccines the scene is another, there is much more regulation and I don't think that would even be accepted. I don't even want to discuss stupid conspiracy theories, reptilian mind schemes, autism vaccine and so on :rolleyes:

Ah, and never heard of vaccines using epitopes which double as growth factors or cell cycle promoters :-S, I also think that those would never be included "in the shot"

[GDG]

Does anyone who has knowledge about vaccinations and or cancer have any ideas on the matter of cancer being linked possibly to vaccinations...any vaccines and any cancer too. Not just limited to a specific type of cancer or vaccine, just in general could there be a link between vaccines and cancer?

 

You are very unlikely to see a connection between cancer and human vaccines. All human vaccines require prior approval by the FDA (at least in the US), and absence of cancer causation is one of the things that must be demonstrated before approval.

 

Veterinary vaccines probably have different standards, and there are probably different standards for what can be used in pets as opposed to food animals/livestock. It is very unlikely that the protein or antigen component of the vaccine would cause cancer. Any protein that is used is typically first denatured in some way, e.g., by treatment with formaldehyde, truncation, etc.

 

It is possible that the adjuvant, if present, could stimulate cancer or a reaction that looks like cancer. The adjuvant is an optional component found in some vaccine formulations, designed to increase the subject's immune response to the antigen. There are some antigens that just do not sufficiently stimulate the immune response on their own: the adjuvant essentially acts like a tag, labeling the antigen as "Hey look here -- foreign invaders!"

 

Adjuvants frequently used in research include Complete Freund's Adjuvant (CFA) and Incomplete Freund's Adjuvant (IFA). IFA is made from a fraction of the cellular wall of mycobacteria (like TB bacteria), the active part of which is muramic acid dipeptide. CFA is IFA emulsified with mineral oil. In lab procedures, one would typically use CFA for the first immunization, and IFA for booster shots. It is possible for CFA and/or IFA to cause granuloma formation at the injection site (which might look like a tumor to someone who is not doing a tissue biopsy), and they are definitely not approved for use in humans.

[coschristi]

Vaccines causing cancer? Or the SV40 contamination in the Salk Polio vaccine?

[John Cuthber]

Looks like drive by spamming to me.

[Endy0816]

What gets me is that some viruses themselves have been found to cause errors.

Not sure if deliberate or accidental, but doesn't do us much good.

[coschristi]

17 hours ago, John Cuthber said:

Looks like drive by spamming to me.

Who me? Nah; very first post ever on this forum. Was skimming through & saw that title & decided to read the thread. Noticed there was no mention of SV40 & I thought I'd throw it out there.

SV40 is showing promise as a chemotherapeutic vector, despite its inconvenient discovery. 

I'll figure out the buttons & plus signs, etc ... eventually.

[Brett Nortj]

On 06/07/2009 at 3:00 PM, ggeekk said:

Does anyone who has knowledge about vaccinations and or cancer have any ideas on the matter of cancer being linked possibly to vaccinations...any vaccines and any cancer too. Not just limited to a specific type of cancer or vaccine, just in general could there be a link between vaccines and cancer?

This is not a 'crap' font...Don't read my posts then.

And I didn't HEAR anything. I HAVE IDEAS OF MY OWN! I was asking a question, you shouldn't answer questions. Thanks for your opinion but I know what a vaccine is.

Yes, vaccinations are linked to cancer, as, cancer is a dying rotten cluster of cells, forming things like apses and growths that infect other cells with their excesses. This means that, as the vaccination is supposed to be a weak version of the disease, these are also 'cancerous,' as they lend to the rotten presence of cancer, stimulating it no end.

Or, why does cancer emanate from rotten bones? This is because the cancer will be dysfunctional cell types, as they are rotting, and, that is toxic to other cells.

[John Cuthber]

37 minutes ago, Brett Nortj said:

Yes, vaccinations are linked to cancer, as, cancer is a dying rotten cluster of cells, forming things like apses and growths that infect other cells with their excesses. This means that, as the vaccination is supposed to be a weak version of the disease, these are also 'cancerous,' as they lend to the rotten presence of cancer, stimulating it no end.

Or, why does cancer emanate from rotten bones? This is because the cancer will be dysfunctional cell types, as they are rotting, and, that is toxic to other cells.

Nonsense.

 

Anyway, in response to the OP's question "Vaccinations Linked to Cancer?"

Yes they are; negatively

Vaccinations reduce the incidence of some cancers- that's the whole point of them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPV_vaccine

 

And, since most vaccines have no effect either way on cancer, the overall effect of vaccination is to reduce the incidence of cancer in humans.

On the other hand, people who get vaccinated are less likely to die from infectious diseases, but they have to die of something- so it's likely that vaccinations will increase the total number of cancer cases.That's fine by me.

 

[CharonY]

3 hours ago, Brett Nortj said:

Yes, vaccinations are linked to cancer, as, cancer is a dying rotten cluster of cells, forming things like apses and growths that infect other cells with their excesses. This means that, as the vaccination is supposed to be a weak version of the disease, these are also 'cancerous,' as they lend to the rotten presence of cancer, stimulating it no end.

Also, this is entirely wrong in an almost spectacular way. Cancer cells are pretty much the opposite of rotting. (Side point: rotting is not a term used with cells, as it usually refers to the act of decaying, typically in context of microbial actions. the only things that comes close would be something like apoptosis, which is a crucial element in normal cellular turnover). They do in fact not die or degrade as they should and multiply unchecked instead. They also do not spread by infecting other cells. They spread by multiplying and moving around. 

[Brett Nortj]

3 minutes ago, CharonY said:

Also, this is entirely wrong in an almost spectacular way. Cancer cells are pretty much the opposite of rotting. (Side point: rotting is not a term used with cells, as it usually refers to the act of decaying, typically in context of microbial actions. the only things that comes close would be something like apoptosis, which is a crucial element in normal cellular turnover). They do in fact not die or degrade as they should and multiply unchecked instead. They also do not spread by infecting other cells. They spread by multiplying and moving around. 

They cannot divide as they are not airborne, nor do you find them outside the body. This means tissue will just become cancerous, that it will become defective and become unhealthy.

~ By the way, the cure for cancer is "spearmint." This freshens the tissue, and, it becomes healthy again. With that as evidence, as I have had cancer before, and cured myself, this thesis is correct.

[CharonY]

8 minutes ago, Brett Nortj said:

They cannot divide as they are not airborne,

... what?

[Brett Nortj]

1 minute ago, CharonY said:

... what?

Sorry, they cannot divide as they are not borne of air, hence they cannot move from place to place outside the body, thus they cannot divide because they are not independent. They are a parasite borne of a host, and, they cannot divide outside the body. As they cannot move around from host to host, they are grounded, shackeld to the system, and, that means they are, let's make up a word, "bioatsynced?"

[beecee]

On 7/6/2009 at 11:00 PM, ggeekk said:

Does anyone who has knowledge about vaccinations and or cancer have any ideas on the matter of cancer being linked possibly to vaccinations...any vaccines and any cancer too. Not just limited to a specific type of cancer or vaccine, just in general could there be a link between vaccines and cancer?

 

And I didn't HEAR anything. I HAVE IDEAS OF MY OWN! I was asking a question, you shouldn't answer questions. Thanks for your opinion but I know what a vaccine is.

 You have your own ideas???  On what grounds do you base the validity of your ideas on as distinct to the overwhelming factual evidence that accounts for the validity and protection that  vaccinations have been shown to give?

PS; As an aside, in Australia, parents who refuse to vaccinate their children, can have them refused enrollment in kindergarten and school, and any child suport, unless there is a medically supported validated reason for non vaccination.

 

In answer to your question, I'm not qualified, but hey! why not put it to your doctor/specialist?

The biggest obvious advantage of vaccinations is obviously in that we have now seen the near eradication of diseases such as Polio and Smallpox.

Edited August 3, 2018 by beecee

[iNow]

1 hour ago, Brett Nortj said:

By the way, the cure for cancer is "spearmint." This freshens the tissue

Lol. That is all 

1 hour ago, Brett Nortj said:

I have had cancer before, and cured myself [with spearmint]

That wasn’t cancer. It was halitosis!

[StringJunky]

36 minutes ago, iNow said:

Lol. That is all 

That wasn’t cancer. It was halitosis!

We seem to be awash with fruitcakes atm. 

 

1 hour ago, beecee said:

The biggest obvious advantage of vaccinations is obviously in that we have now seen the near eradication of diseases such as Polio and Smallpox.

But with collective amnesia creeping in, as evidenced by the swelling ant-vaxxer community, we may well see it all come back.

[beecee]

2 minutes ago, StringJunky said:

We seem to be awash with fruitcakes atm. 

Some are actually just idiots and stirrers, specifically out to get a raise out of people for there own weird enjoyment. Others though are the real thing, ie, nutballs, fruitcakes, etc

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But with collective amnesia creeping in, as evidenced by the swelling ant-vaxxer community, we may well see it all come back

Let's hope not. Again with these anti vaxxer idiots, any parent in Australia that does not have their children vaccinated are refused enrollment into kindergartens, schools, etc and government child support payments are cancelled. Hit em in the hip pocket may knock some sense back into them.

 

[StringJunky]

3 minutes ago, beecee said:

Let's hope not. Again with these anti vaxxer idiots, any parent in Australia that does not have their children vaccinated are refused enrollment into kindergartens, schools, etc and government child support payments are cancelled. Hit em in the hip pocket may knock some sense back into them.

 

That's quite strict. I'm not sure what it's like in the UK with the authorities.

[John Cuthber]

2 hours ago, Brett Nortj said:

2 hours ago, CharonY said:

 

Sorry, they cannot divide as they are not borne of air,

I'm making some wine at the moment.

The yeast cells are doing a fine job of dividing.

Are you deluded enough to think this means they are in the air?

 

[beecee]

15 minutes ago, StringJunky said:

That's quite strict. I'm not sure what it's like in the UK with the authorities.

 

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/BudgetReview201516/Vaccination

‘No Jab No Pay’ and other immunisation measures

 

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/babies/parents-who-refuse-to-vaccinate-will-be-docked-money-from-their-family-tax-benefit-from-today/news-story/9d091a5d6ec0b0f597a385adb9f25c7d

AS PART of the changes for the new financial year, from today parents who refuse to vaccinate their children will be docked money from their family tax benefit.

Under the Federal Government “No Jab, No Pay” program, Family Tax Benefit Part A payments will cop a fortnightly $28 reduction for each unvaccinated child.

http://www.vaccinationawareness.com.au/Vaccine_Exemptions.html

Vaccine Exemptions in Australia

Vaccination is not compulsory in Australia, so the decision not to vaccinate yourself, or your child does not require government registration or justification.

Since January 2016 however, families with a child (up to age 20) and currently registered with a Conscientious or Religious exemption (along with the partially vaccinated), were provided a time-limited period (1 January 2016 to 31 December 2017) to commence a free 'catch-up' with the current National Immunisation Program Schedule (NIPS), or be denied further government payments.

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I know it may sound like "big brother" but the stark reality is that unvaccinated children are a danger to themselves and the  community at large. There has also been talk re making vaccinations compulsory.