swaha Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 we suppose some events are occuring outside a reference frame which is moving with speed of light. what will the person inside the frame observe? everything occuring simultaneously or nothing occuring? both cases relate to 0 time interval. pls reply.
insane_alien Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 nothing with mass can be trvelling at the speed of light, it is an invalid reference frame.
swaha Posted July 20, 2009 Author Posted July 20, 2009 is there any problem in assuming that mass is infinite for the frame of reference regarding my question? Merged post follows: Consecutive posts mergedif we can really measure the relative velocity of 2 photons approaching each other whats the problem in supposing that light itself is the observer?
J.C.MacSwell Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 is there any problem in assuming that mass is infinite for the frame of reference regarding my question? Merged post follows: Consecutive posts mergedif we can really measure the relative velocity of 2 photons approaching each other whats the problem in supposing that light itself is the observer? Infinites usually mean "answer no longer makes sense". Mass increase with velocity can be somewhat misleading, but in no case can it be with respect to the rest frame the mass is in at any given moment.
swaha Posted July 21, 2009 Author Posted July 21, 2009 a light particle/ soth moving in speed of light must be at rest wrt itself. nothing can say that its really moving. i just wanted to understand its observation.
Klaynos Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 The rest frame of a photon is unphysical, any conclusions you form from considering it will therefore also be unphysical.
Bob_for_short Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 In a moving reference frame you will observe everything moving really fast, like in a car in a city. There are the reference fames moving at the speed of light V_rf = v_light = c/n < c in a transparent medium, and there are even faster than that (but of course with V_rf < c).
swaha Posted July 22, 2009 Author Posted July 22, 2009 how can the rest frame of something be unphysical which exists itself?
Klaynos Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 A slightly dodgy way, but easy way of looking at it is by following some simple logic. A photon always moves at c in ANY inertial rest frame. Consider a frame that you set to be at rest with the photon. What is the speed of a photon in that inertial rest frame? It must be c as photons are always moving at c. Yet you tried to set it to be at rest. Therefore there must clearly be something wrong here.
swansont Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 There is no social mobility when it comes to massless particles. The only way to be in the photon's frame is to be born a photon. There is no way for a massive particle to get into that frame. The math diverges, so there is no transform to describe it in terms of inertial frames.
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