losfomot Posted June 15, 2004 Posted June 15, 2004 Unfortunately I don't have a reference, (although I'm sure it would not be hard to find,) I recently read somewhere that temperatures on the moon during it's 'night' can reach minus (-) 150 degrees Celsius. This may seem extremely cold to some, but I don't understand this. If the moon has no atmosphere to keep heat in, then how does it maintain a temperature so high above absolute zero? Would a thermometer show a different temperature if it was hovering a foot off the surface compared to being in contact with the surface? And, if so, would that 'hovering' thermometer be colder? Thanks
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted June 15, 2004 Posted June 15, 2004 Sunlight heats it up. The hovering thermometer probably would be colder, because it gets its only heat from solar radiation. Or, light bouncing off of Earth. With no atmosphere, the heat cannot escape from off of the surface except by radiation. And there isn't very much radiation on the moon. The light from the moon is just bounced off of the sun.
swansont Posted June 15, 2004 Posted June 15, 2004 Would a thermometer show a different temperature if it was hovering a foot off the surface compared to being in contact with the surface? And' date=' if so, would that 'hovering' thermometer be colder?Thanks[/quote'] With no atmosphere to give you conduction/convection to reach equilibrium, a thermometer is probably the wrong tool to measure the temperature. As the Cap'n said, radiation is the only heating/cooling mechanism. The energy transfer goes as T4 - T04, so the sun heating the moon is more efficient than the moon radiating into empty space. There just isn't enough time for the surface to cool off more.
Martin Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 If the moon has no atmosphere to keep heat in, then how does it maintain a temperature so high above absolute zero? losfomot, swansont said it but i can expand on that there is a limit to how fast something can radiate its heat away in a vacuum (stefan-boltzmann fourthpower law with magic number sigma) if it is hot it glows brightly and radiates lots of watts and gives up heat quickly but as it cools it can only radiate fewer watts and the cooling process slows maybe the moon rocks cool all night and are coldest just before sunrise and then they get another shot of heat all day and then they have to cool off again, by radiating into the darkness so temp follows a sawtooth pattern have to go, more another time
Martin Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 yeah Im back swansont was beginning to talk about the fourthpower law sigma is what tells how brightly hot things glow to understand sigma you need the metric system of units----know what a square meter of surface area is, and what a watt of glow is, to measure the radiant power: watts per square meter. the law is you take the temp in kelvin. like say 1000 kelvin and raise it to the fourth 1,000,000,000,000 kelvin4 and multiply by sigma and that gives the watts per sq. meter! sigma = 5.67 x 10-8 watts per sq. meter per kelvin4 so if you have 1012 kelvin4 and you multiply by sigma you get 56,700 watts per sq. meter but when something cools down to 100 kelvin then it sheds energy much more slowly, like 5.67 watts per sq. meter---by the same rule. so cooling things taper off even tho night lasts two weeks they dont have time to get colder than whatever you said
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