Mobius

[Gasparri]

If you wouldn't pull things out of it and put them on the internet, it probably wouldn't get chewed as much.

 

Very good. Perhaps you can address the issue and not me?

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I've traveled here from 1988 to ask you what you're smoking and if I can have some.

 

Again, focus on me all you wish and you learn nothing, focus on

my discoveries and your view of quantum mechanics will

become more real than imaginary.

 

When you guys are through with my ass, take a look at my work.

 

http://www.youtube.com/patp2

[Klaynos]

You can define, mathematically, a Mobius Strip as a two dimensional surface, it is therefore a 2d surface, no amount of playing with paper will counter that.

 

This appears to be off topic though.

 

I do wonder though if gravity is just in humans minds why the planets all obey gravity?

[swansont]

I've traveled here from 1988 to ask you what you're smoking and if I can have some.

 

 

Be nice,

 

and

 

remember you are subject to random urinalysis.

 

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I really dislike videos as a substitute for writing, even when they aren't from some speaking slowly and sketching badly. You can't quote them to address specific topics, and much like simply copy-paste word wallpapering from some other site, it's far too easy to simply create a BS overload.

 

If you want a critique, take the time to type in a summary of the hypothesis.

[Gasparri]

You can define, mathematically, a Mobius Strip as a two dimensional surface, it is therefore a 2d surface, no amount of playing with paper will counter that.

 

Do the math. All surfaces are 2D. When you look at the paper you miss the point. The concept resides down on infinity itself and only if something comes

to exist (field harmonics) does dimensionality take on aspects we can deal with.

The very notion of "surface" is artificial as you know by closer inspection, worlds within worlds of scale to the unreachable infinity. The paper elements

are only a lens through which many geometric pathways may be viewed.

 

This appears to be off topic though.

 

Then let's model a photon on mobius constructs and see if there are

any properties. If you saw my vid on FTL you understand there are

situations that can be applied. In the c^2 square light is seen to violate the speed of light on the hypotenuse. Perhaps there is an underlying

topography of the photon that accounts for this. Can you find it?

 

I do wonder though if gravity is just in humans minds why the planets all obey gravity?

 

Gravity is the effect fields of masses give rise to. Nothing more.

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I really dislike videos as a substitute for writing, even when they aren't from some speaking slowly and sketching badly.

 

Very nice. You have to be commended for withholding your urge to throw

"Redneck trailor trash' in there.

 

No one on earth that I know really cares what you think about videos.

 

You can't quote them to address specific topics,

 

Yes, you can!

 

and much like simply copy-paste word wallpapering from some other site, it's far too easy to simply create a BS overload.

 

Very good, now that you've baked the cake decorate it! Copy me,

Make the models I show, peer review them. Then, tell me

what is right and what is wrong.

 

If you want a critique, take the time to type in a summary of the hypothesis.

 

Simple: The modius strip is not a 2D object. It is a 3D object and concept.

The concepts are directly related to the universe and make up

the static topological view. Wave, particle, duality, it's all there

with the realization that the mobius strip is only the beginning.

 

Just for you, unless you hate cats:

 

I have put many mobius videos up. Over the years I have

said and wrote plenty. From FidoNet to the Internet.

Very few understood UNTIL they saw the videos.

Now they do and are making even more interesting

discoveries as they play with these tools.

[Klaynos]

Yes, all surfaces by definition are 2D. That is just linguistics. Mathematically they are 2D which is the important point.

[Gasparri]

Mod note:

mobius strip discussion moved here

 

Wow.

 

Well, you have shown your true color mr. ^^oderator.

 

Enjoy your continued discussions, You've lost my support.

[D H]

The Mobius strip discussion was moved because it has nothing to do with the topic at hand, which is "faster than the speed of light". It is off-topic.

[Gasparri]

The Mobius strip discussion was moved because it has nothing to do with the topic at hand, which is "faster than the speed of light". It is off-topic.

 

 

No problem with moving it, but to pseudoscience and speculation?

Is there not a maths or topology area where it justly fits?

 

I would be delighted to see it moved to the proper appropriate area.

[swansont]

No problem with moving it, but to pseudoscience and speculation?

Is there not a maths or topology area where it justly fits?

 

I would be delighted to see it moved to the proper appropriate area.

 

I would be delighted if you presented some math/topology, here. You can be moved out of P&S, but you have to earn it.

[Gasparri]

I would be delighted if you presented some math/topology, here. You can be moved out of P&S, but you have to earn it.

 

I present you a hexagon so arranged that it is transformed into

a construct that has all the properties of the mobius strip save

one, it has two sides but not just sides, it has two insdes and two

outsides. You could say it represents a bipolar manifold.

 

Video reference: 3D 2 sided Mobius meets schrodinger's cat

 

other references: http://parrinello.net/~top/mobius/

[uncool]

Gasparri:

 

The dimension of a manifold (such as the mobius band) is defined as what Euclidean space it "looks like" locally - that is, if you take a small enough neighborhood of any point on a manifold, it will look like R^n for some n, and n is defined to be the dimension.

 

The mobius band locally looks like 2-space, or a plane - and so is defined to be 2-dimensional.

[Gasparri]

Gasparri:

 

The mobius band locally looks like 2-space, or a plane - and so is defined to be 2-dimensional.

 

Of course! It all resolves down to a reference frame. On a mobius strip

there is a single point that marks a 2D x,y aspect. This point is usually

located at the center of the band and may move around the band

to always a position opposite to the center of rotation of the twist.

I hope I phrased that right. More or less the mobius band resembles

the electron of a hydrogen atom. If you think of the twist of a mobius

band as a unit, and that the twist can follow around the band leaving

a virtual impression of movement where only rotation is involved, the

whole idea makes sense.

 

There is some art sculpture done such that when viewed you see

a base player and when you look at it 90 degrees around you

see a master playing a grand piano. A single thing can be more

than one thing. That's why the observation's perspective is so

important. We see one thing but it's really another and at the

same time both things. This duality of perspective if unknown

to the observer limits his total observation. Is the elephant

a tree, a snake, or a broom?