buddha elämuni Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 About 13.8 billion years ago universe -as we see it - had its energy very densely formed. Nowadays the same energy is way more than less condensed. There is no reason to doubt that same phenomenon couldnt effect on the very same energy that the nucleus of an atom has! Nucleuses of atoms had accordingly changed for less dense energy. Concomitantly expanding atom nucleuses have radiated their energy in a form of waves which have nature of electrons and particles. Electrons confront energy-waves from the adjacent atom nucleuses and interact with them. At this point new electrons are born in to them which create changes of pressure into energy-waves that they confront etc. After the interaction electrons continue towards nucleus of an atom, make the nucleus explode their energy to that very same direction where that electron came. Because of that the expanding nucleus trembles to opposing direction and so forth. 2. All the time particles move through and past atom nucleuses which also change to less dense energy and radiate their energy in waves. Quarks ? fuel up? i.e. absorb this ?raw-material? (energy) all the time and so the recycling of the energy continues. After some period of time energy of the quarks energy can change at which point quark has won?t have any of that energy which it earlier had? It raises up the question, Does for example cores of the atoms in old buildings switched their energy upon a time, hence there wouldn?t be any of that energy which the building had just after the construction? Stars and planets are like big ?fish traps? or ?fish nets? which absorb more and more of that same ?raw material? (energy) which from everything around us constructs. In the same time they change to contain less and less dense energy. 3. Three dimensional expansion creates a pressure which in other hand creates all the expanding objects radiate themselves i.e. energy in waves which have the character of different energy concentration etc. Density of the eternal energy changes in the eternal space, which will never change! The substance does not alter to an energy. The substance itself is energy. The substance / The energy alters all the time to a less dense substance / energy. The substance / The energy alters to a less dense energy in a space that has always existed. The space does not increase! The space does not expand or curve! The whole concept of expanding space has been pulled out of the hat, because people has believed that the pulling force does exist. There is no such force as pulling force! The Quarks The quarks are formed out of energy that alters all the time to a less dense energy. The quarks expand and radiate energy waves. These waves the expading qvarks push themselves away from each other. The quarks absorb more energy from the particles that move through the quarks. When the expanding quarks push themselves away from each other the energy radiating from the quarks pass and pushing becomes weaker. The quarks continue to expand, at the same time they come closer to each other without actually moving towards each other and the pushing strenghens. An external pressure is directed towards the quarks because more energy from the other atomcores and from those particles that move in an area between the atomcores and radiate their energy towards the atomcores. The pattern of an atom The energy of the atomcore alters to a less dense energy. The atom core expands and radiates energywaves that have the nature of electron and particule. Also the electrons and the particules alter to a less dense energy and radiate their energy as waves. The atomcore absorbs as if it would fill up more energy towards itselef from those particules that pass the atomcores or through the core. So the particules also alter to a less dense energy and radiate their energy. The particules also absorb energy towards themselves from the radiation of the other particules. The electrons continue their journey towards atomcores nearby. They have interaction with the energy waves that they meet. They produce variation of pressure and with confronting energy-wawes new electrons are produced. These electrons continue their journey towards atomcores nearby etc. After that the energy itself continues towards the atomcore and makes the atomcore to explode in other words to change faster into a less dense energy ect. http://onesimpleprinciple.com/296 . Merged post follows: Consecutive posts mergedI DEMAND LOGICALITY We need to expect even a little bit of logicality to the scientific theories. If I have understood correctly, according to the so called firm interaction the qvarks supposedly interact with each other the stronger the further the qvarks are from each other? The argument that the qvarks interact stronger when they are further away from each other is not logical nor scientifical. ”The gluons that moderate strong nuclear power have been observed in particle accelerators”. How does the gluon moderate the gravitation from one qvark to another? How does the gluon loosen from the qvark? Why does the gluon move towards another qvark? How does the gluon make the qvark that is impacted by a gluon to move itself to the same direction from where the gluon itself is coming? How does the gluon effect the qvark stronger if the qvark is further away from the qvark where the gluon started it´s journey? In fact the qvark explodes and causes internal pressure to the qvark and this pressure makes qvark to squeeze energy as waves that have the nature of gluons. One example of this theory we have in a shape of guns. The expanding qvarks have interaction with each other so to say push themselves away from each other the less the further the qvarks from each other are located. This happens because from the qvarks the waves moving forward like in a surface of a ball impact less waves to a qvark nearby when qvark nearby is located further and so on. So the expanding qvarks can not in any point push themselves away from each other so firmly that they would begin to move further away from each other faster than they expand. When the pushing decreases, relatively the expanding makes the qvarks to reach out for each other even though the qvarks don´t move towards each other. The gluon does not go to the next qvark and tell it to go in a direction where I just came.. No, the gluon impacts the qvark and makes the energy in that side of the qvark to alter faster into a less dense energy. With this energy the expanding qvark pushes itself away from that expanding qvark where the gluon came ect. One could assume that a scientifical theory would have even some kind of logicality! The theory of an firm interaction between qvarks is not logical, because the qvarks do not interact stronger with each other the further they are from each other. That´s a fact! The qvarks also absorb in other words fill up all the time more raw material (=energy) from where everything consits of. This way the recycling of an energy continues in a space that allready exists and does not alter in any ways! The atomcores that transform into a less dense energy control each others trasformation into a less dense energy with an energy that radiates from themselves. The stars that transform into a less dense energy control each others trasformation into a less dense energy with an energy that the stars radiate towards each other. The galaxies that transform into a less dense energy control each others trasformation into a less dense energy with an energy that the galaxies radiate towards each other. The groups of galaxies that transform into a less dense energy control each others trasformation into a less dense energy with an energy that they radiate towards each other. The particules (like photons and neutrinos) that transform into a less dense energy control each others transformation with and energy that the neutrinos and the photons radiate towards each other. The particules that transform into a less dense energy control the transformation of the atomcores that the particules radiate towards the atomcores. This way the omega is excactly one all the time! The space really does not curve or bend! The density of an eternal energy transforms in a ever lasting space that does not transform!
swansont Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 I DEMAND LOGICALITY We need to expect even a little bit of logicality to the scientific theories. If I have understood correctly, according to the so called firm interaction the qvarks supposedly interact with each other the stronger the further the qvarks are from each other? The argument that the qvarks interact stronger when they are further away from each other is not logical nor scientifical. Nature is under no obligation to be understandable to you. You are not in a position to demand anything.
insane_alien Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 the fact that quarks interact more strongly at greater distances is perfectly logical and scientific. the gluons interact with the other gluons resulting in a stronger force with increasing distance. although beyond a certain limit the force drops sharply as the gluons decay. also, the fact this happens doesn't require logic, it is what is observed.
buddha elämuni Posted September 24, 2009 Author Posted September 24, 2009 Space never born hokkus pokkus. space been here for ever. space dont expanding hokkus pokkus. There is no hokkus pokkus drawing force at all. Only force is pressure. if you like to move, you need absorbs some energy/food. if you like to move with car, you need put gasolin exploding normal faster and after that you have to absorbs some other energy/gasolin for car. Also quarks need absorbs more energy from particle who exploding all a time and emit energy for quarks! Also quarks using exploding energy, when exploding quarks move some other direction. Sorry, but thats the way it is going. You can BELIEVE expanding space, just like people can BELIEVE, there is some god!
Klaynos Posted September 24, 2009 Posted September 24, 2009 Unfortunately (for you), reality disagrees with your above statements. The observable evidence shows you are wrong. The universe doesn't care what you think about it, your opinion doesn't matter to it and will never change it. Science is based on evidence not just a group of people sat around making stuff up!
dr.syntax Posted September 24, 2009 Posted September 24, 2009 Well,one well known example of an atom`s nucleous losing energy is during radioactive decay. Of course it also emits an alpha particle [ 2 protons and 2 neutrons fused together] and 1 electron from one of the remaining neutrons turning that former neutron into a proton along with the emission of 1 photon. The overall reaction moves the element 1 position to the left on the periodic table. Did I get all that right ? Just working from my memory. At times not totally reliable. ...Dr.Syntax
buddha elämuni Posted September 24, 2009 Author Posted September 24, 2009 "Science is based on evidence" You cant proof, space expanding! You cant make any science test with space! You cant see, heard, taste, smell or feel space! You just BELIEVE, space expanding! I can meked theory with mathematic, who proof, old light is redshifting, because photons moving inside angel many times. You cant make test with angel or expanding space! Youi are just like religious pople! Expanding space is not science! It is hokkus pokkus physics! . -1
Klaynos Posted September 24, 2009 Posted September 24, 2009 "Science is based on evidence" You cant proof, space expanding! You cant make any science test with space! You cant see, heard, taste, smell or feel space! You just BELIEVE, space expanding! I can meked theory with mathematic, who proof, old light is redshifting, because photons moving inside angel many times. You cant make test with angel or expanding space! Youi are just like religious pople! Expanding space is not science! It is hokkus pokkus physics! . Angels would Occums Razor, there would also be issues about why there is only expansion observed between objects that are not gravitationally bound. I'd strongly suggest you do some research on the current observable evidence for an expanding universe. And into the requirements of modern physics for theories.
swansont Posted September 24, 2009 Posted September 24, 2009 Youi are just like religious pople! Expanding space is not science! It is hokkus pokkus physics! . I will quote from Rules, section 2, part 8. And the rulegiver spake, saying, "Preaching and "soap-boxing" (making topics or posts without inviting, or even rejecting, open discussion) are not allowed. This is a discussion forum, not your personal lecture hall. Discuss points, don't just repeat them." Here endeth the lesson.
buddha elämuni Posted September 27, 2009 Author Posted September 27, 2009 the fact that quarks interact more strongly at greater distances is perfectly logical and scientific. the gluons interact with the other gluons resulting in a stronger force with increasing distance. although beyond a certain limit the force drops sharply as the gluons decay. also, the fact this happens doesn't require logic, it is what is observed. 500 years ago, people observed, sun take a round and earth stay same palce all a time. Today you oberve phenomenas and you dnt understund, you and everything else axploding all a time. So, it is just illusion, when you look, quarks interactive stronger, when they are not so near. Sun dont take around, because also that is illusion, you know! Space dont expanding and thats the way it is! .
insane_alien Posted September 27, 2009 Posted September 27, 2009 and are you ever going to provide any evidence? i mean it really is at the stage where not only would you have to provide evidence that your right, but also provide evidence of why assuming that current theory is correct works so well for us. besides, reality has no obligation to be understandable to you.
mooeypoo Posted September 27, 2009 Posted September 27, 2009 500 years ago, people observed, sun take a round and earth stay same palce all a time. Today you oberve phenomenas and you dnt understund, you and everything else axploding all a time. So, it is just illusion, when you look, quarks interactive stronger, when they are not so near. Sun dont take around, because also that is illusion, you know! Space dont expanding and thats the way it is! . "That's the way it is"? Really? YOu seem to either ignore rules or insist on not reading them, so here's another try: You came to us, to convince us of your theory. So far, you're doing a horrible job putting evidence forward. If your theory is so true, this would not have been a problem. We are not supposed to disprove your fantasy, you're supposed to prove it. This is not your personal blog, or personal sound stage, you do not get to stand and lecture us about how right you are just because you think yo're right. You might be able to do that in a kindergarten, but not in a science forum. Stop lecturing, start listening to our rules, and start talking actual science. And if it's not clear, here it is again: We're not asking you to follow the rules, we're requiring you to follow the rules. ~moo
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