tar Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 There are principles involved in the way a human percieves and categorizes reality. This is augmented greatly by our history, and the work done by many to classify, define, stucture, outline and such. That is not primarily what this topic is looking to explore. If the organisations we have established and maintained were not around, there would still be life on this planet. It is the organizing principles which allowed for the establishment of life, which I am asking about. And further, the organizing principles which exist in this universe, and in our galaxy, and solar system, and planet, which would exist, or did exist, before life on this planet emerged. For instance, there is a subtantial similarity between an aerial view of a hurricane, and an artists depiction of the Milky Way galaxy. Why? Such a similarity on such different scales of size and duration? Patterns repeat. What are the principles involved? Regards, TAR Merged post follows: Consecutive posts mergedHere is an overview of a 2002 study talking about motifs. http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/genes_neurons_internet_found_to_have_organizing_principles-some_identical In developing the technique, Alon surmised that patterns serving an important function in nature might recur more often than in randomized networks. This in mind, he devised an algorithm that enabled him to analyze the plentiful scientific findings examining key networks in some well-researched organisms. Alon noticed that some patterns in the networks were inexplicably more repetitive than they would be in randomized networks. This handful of patterns was singled out as a potential bundle of network motifs. Merged post follows: Consecutive posts mergedI suppose I am talking about metaphysics, but from a mechanists point of view. http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/377923/metaphysics/15820/The-organizing-principles-of-nature Descartes himself was not a pure mechanist because he believed that mind was governed by principles of its own; his work, however, undoubtedly encouraged the thought, frequently debated at the time of the Enlightenment, that mental life equally with the physical world must be explicable in mechanical terms. There is, in my estimation, no thing supernatural. Everything we are, everything we see, is a result of the interplay of the organizing principles, that guide the universe. That we have become conscious of our position in the universe, and have ways to transcend our mechanistic form and structure, does not negate the fact that we are of and in the universe. And since no magic is involved, the organizing principles, inherent in the universe, are important to recognize and investigate. The distinction between a mechanism and an organism is an important one, because an organism is alive and purposeful. This distinction is not however enough to raise an organism to a position outside of reality. What is in our imaginations, is images and manufactured combinations of real patterns, that are themselves generated by the positionings and firings of very real neurons and chemical combinations. And humans have established and maintained imagined patterns, transforming materials, using the organisations of reality, into benefical structures, machines, records and instruments. And patterns we have agreed upon to maintain, are real to all of us, they are now part of reality, at least for the time being. But to hold this view, that everything, even an organism, is mechanical in nature, there is required a set of organising principles, by which life itself could emerge. Very complex, no doubt, and in some ways fleeting, and in some ways very time consuming, with many steps involved, but each step was taken in the context of reality, and thus principles of organisation, that the universe possesses, had to be present along the way, in order for organisation to have occurred. Regards, TAR
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