Cha and Ja, and other language ponderings

[NavajoEverclear]

Ch and J obviously sound different somehow, but when i say them i cant figure out what my tounge is doing differently. I wanted to know cause i'm making a language, and i want to know the base of the sounds. Also, what are some other sounds not used in the english language? OK i guess that is a huge range of possibilities, any good sites that document these possibilites?

[NavajoEverclear]

Ba and Ma & Ta and Da, have the same dilemna. They SOUND different, but i cant feel the difference. It's kind of frustrating not to understand how my own communication system works.

[JaKiri]

They all have slightly different tongue positions associated with them.

[Tesseract]

Ch and J obviously sound different somehow, but when i say them i cant figure out what my tounge is doing differently. I wanted to know cause i'm making a language, and i want to know the base of the sounds. Also, what are some other sounds not used in the english language? OK i guess that is a huge range of possibilities, any good sites that document these possibilites?

 

If your going to make a language base it on something like esperanto, but please dont make another stupid language like english...

[NavajoEverclear]

whats esperanto? I do agree that english is much in stupidity. So what about my question eh? ANSWER IT SOMEONE, or i'll send you to blorch

[Tesseract]

whats esperanto? I do agree that english is much in stupidity. So what about my question eh? ANSWER IT SOMEONE, or i'll send you to blorch

 

An international language, very well thought out with little grammatical problems and rules that are the same fro every single word.Like for example all nouns in esperanto end in "o".

 

Heres a site:http://esperanto.ca/kurso/home.htm

[NavajoEverclear]

thanks dude

[Martin]

whats esperanto? I do agree that english is much in stupidity. So what about my question eh? ANSWER IT SOMEONE, or i'll send you to blorch

 

 

your question about Ch and J?

 

there does not need to be any difference in tongue or lip positions

 

in phonetics there is a difference between "voiced" and "unvoiced"

consonants

and between "aspirated" and "unaspirated" consonants

 

to make Tee and Dee you can use the same tongue position, but you must vibrate the vocal chords in your throat to make it a Dee

 

Dee is the "voiced" version of Tee

 

Also between Ch and J----like between Church and Judge

the J is the "voiced" version of the Ch

when you say Judge your vocal chords must already be vibrating at the start of the word

 

but with Church you wait---no vibration at first---and the throat only starts when you make the vowell sound "ur"

 

Between B and P the difference is "aspiration"----how much air you blow out while your lips are doing essentially the same thing

 

P is the "aspirated" version of B

 

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so moral of story, everclear, is that tongue and lip positions arent the whole story----it was a "systematic" question: sign of an orderly mind?

[Tesseract]

thanks dude

Welcome, we must all spread the word.

[NavajoEverclear]

Welcome, we must all spread the word.

 

totally.

 

Thanks a ton for the info Martin, its so obvious now i feel kinda dumb. Oh well.

[Phi for All]

so moral of story, everclear, is that tongue and lip positions arent the whole story----it was a "systematic" question: sign of an orderly mind?

Very well put explanation, Martin. Some people have a way with words, and others... not have way.

[Tesseract]

Very well put explanation, Martin. Some people have a way with words, and others... not have way.

Wow, how do you think of these offhand jokes?

[Phi for All]

Wow, how do you think of these offhand jokes?

That one's not mine. That's vintage Steve Martin.