AtomicMX Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 I do not consider alchemy a science, how about you all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 Same here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 In it's time it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicMX Posted July 21, 2004 Author Share Posted July 21, 2004 Sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaKiri Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 If it obeys the scientific method, it's a science. If it doesn't, it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 What, no Rutherford? m0_0m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 Sure? Just because it never got (and probably never will get) what it was looking for doesn't mean it isn't science. If it obeys the scientific method, it's a science. If it doesn't, it isn't. So nothing done before the scientific method was glabalized counts as science? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 So nothing done before the scientific method was glabalized counts as science? Logic alert! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 Arg. What's wrong now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 Just because the logic of the method wasn't "well documented" or universally accepted during period X doesn't mean it was never followed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 Alchemy was a big science for its time. Now Jakiri says for it to be a science they would've had to have followed the scientific method. So either they followed the scientific method, in which case it fits under my definition of globalized, or they don't follow it, in which case I want to know why that automaticly implies it's not a science. The scientific method was a human invention and therefore there must have been a time when the rigorous rules to it were not followed. We can't call anything done during that time science? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 I`de consider it a crude ASPECT of science, it was largely chemistry based, with limited ideas of why substance X mixed with substance Y created effect Z. and so efforts were made to explain this, alot of which were mere flights of fancy but some were also remarkably spot on! I`de consider Alchemy is to Science as ancient herbalism is to Medicine, and we still use some of these "Old Cures" today. Lead into Gold however??? LOL, not without a bloody good particle acceletator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodhound Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 it is well documented that Newton was really into his Alchemy during his "Depressed" period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodhound Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 i suspect half of this board don't know what "Science" is defined as. unfortunately i seem to be in that half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 You'd think we'd have a sticky for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodhound Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 can u give me a link. i can't be arsed to look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaKiri Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 can u give me a link. i can't be arsed to look. So what you're saying is we should look instead? Oh well done sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 here ya lazy sod: http://www.scienceforums.net/forums/showthread.php?t=753 this is what Science ISN`T, infere from that link what you will. PS: if your next question involves bog roll, ask another Mod for help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodhound Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 what science isn't wont help me deduce what science is, as i will need a universal set to work with . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 you`ve not read it have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodhound Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 just had a 1sec glance at it. its like saying. i have a bag. there are red (science) and green (not science) balls in it. there are 4 greens in the bag. find the number of reds?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaKiri Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 just had a 1sec glance at it. its like saying. i have a bag. there are red (science) and green (not science) balls in it. there are 4 greens in the bag. find the number of reds?? (Sum total of balls) - 4. However, that's a really bad analogy, as Idea' is a really simple concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodhound Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 (Sum total of balls) - 4 exactly, how can i work out what science is when i dont have the total sum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaKiri Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 exactly, how can i work out what science is when i dont have the total sum Hey look wow. My previous post has 2 lines of text! Perhaps the answer you seek is contained within? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodhound Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 no. to find the answer, u have to think outside the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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