NavajoEverclear Posted July 23, 2004 Posted July 23, 2004 Mildly wondering what you think about it. I think it's a great idea, but with a different motive. Very simple, executions should have less grace, not that i've sat in on any recently, but i watch a little T.V. Death takes time. Make it take less. There are several forms of death that take can occur before you even have time to feel pain, some of them aren't even messy. Somebody make a list as one of the posts for this thread. See i don't care if the bad guy suffers, my philosophy is he's on death row because he's a human with bad wiring. There is no purpose anything other than instantaneous elimination of the faulty program. There is no purpose for the suffering, if you believe in God, you should have faith God will give him justice, we shouldn't waste our time on vengence. If you don't believe in God, why do you care? Of coarse there are other mentalities possible besides just those two, but in any of them there is no reason to want suffering. The purpose of death is to protect society from dangerous people. Permenant solution to a problem. In my idea of capital punishment there would be more people assigned to die. Why are you sentenced to life in prison? The purpose is to suffer, which i explained why i think is an infinately unnecissary waste of time. And why the hell do people wait for years before execution? Timmy lived for seven years after he blew up that Oklahoma building thingy. There aren't that many people on death row that there is a need for this wait. Get rid of the formality. Get your stupid witnessess and all that other crap. Kill em all real quick. If i were in charge, everyone on death row today would be dead tomorrow. Obviously a system based exactly on the idea i just discussed would be too rushy, allow to much possibility for error. So it'd be a little more balanced, but you see my point. There are some people who are too dangerous to be allowed to interact with other humans. Treat them like machines and just delete them. That sounds incredibly heartless, but i just explained my reasons. It sucks but it has to be done. Just get it over with.
Glider Posted July 23, 2004 Posted July 23, 2004 If you don't place a greater value on life than those on death row, then what is the difference between you and them?
Tesseract Posted July 23, 2004 Posted July 23, 2004 If you don't place a greater value on life than those on death row, then what is the difference between you and them? i completely agree with that, execution is just antother word for killing.
budullewraagh Posted July 23, 2004 Posted July 23, 2004 personally, i believe that the justice system should send people to jail to rehabilitate them rather than punish them. punishment does not change character whereas rehabilitation does.
Tesseract Posted July 23, 2004 Posted July 23, 2004 personally, i believe that the justice system should send people to jail to rehabilitate them rather than punish them. punishment does not change character whereas rehabilitation does. I thought thats what the point of going to jail is.
bloodhound Posted July 23, 2004 Posted July 23, 2004 the USA's embrace of the Death Penalty is one of the leading causes of growing anti americanism in europe and rest of the world
NavajoEverclear Posted July 23, 2004 Author Posted July 23, 2004 If you don't place a greater value on life than those on death row, then what is the difference between you and them? The difference is my motive. With few exceptions none of those people will ever safe in society again. It has nothing to do with vengence and hate. In many cases it is mercy. Are you trying to tell me that any prisoner is gratefull to be allowed his imprisonment over termination of his miserable life? OK i'm beginnning to accept there a few exceptions, but not many. And my philosphy would not apply to the mentally ill. budullewraagh has the only good case against the death penality. Except that ISN'T being done, and in lots of cases i don't know if it's possible. I thought thats what the point of going to jail is. Holy hell, have you even known anyone that has gone through the 'justice' system? A lot of my relatives have, and it only makes their lives more messed up. It's just a mass of abuse by authorities and those imprisoned against each other. For instance i was in California just last week, and my Cousin was just getting out of jail. She was falsly imprisoned for a two year old warrent that came up on the cops computer when he pulled her over for a speeding violation. She had just finished a rehab center and been off of drugs for the longest time she has in years (this was the first time i've seen her in seven years), she got a good job as Taxi driver, and hopefully that isn't screwed up because she was absent from work for a week because of a glitch in the system. She's been rearrested for this same warrent three other times, at the end of each time they figure out that it is an old warrent and there is no reason for her to be arrested. And yet they don't bother to do what they have to take it out of the computer so it doesn't happen again. The justice system is a piece of shit that has nothing to do with rehabilitation. The problem is that most of the officers in the system are so bent on punishing, without caring to investigate if people deserve it first. My reason for supporting the death penalty has nothing to do with wanting punishment. I've already explained my purpose
NavajoEverclear Posted July 23, 2004 Author Posted July 23, 2004 I want to make sure you don't think my story about my cousin contradicts my orginal point. My cousin has been a drug offender, not a murderer, that's a big difference. And i already identified that i realize if philophy were made policy, some people would use it to be more stupid and rush into killing people. There would have to be more policies therefore to make sure that capital punishement is not abused. Thank God i'm not the one in charge of all of this anyway.
budullewraagh Posted July 23, 2004 Posted July 23, 2004 I thought thats what the point of going to jail is. apparently you haven't seen the states
NavajoEverclear Posted July 24, 2004 Author Posted July 24, 2004 apparently you haven't seen the states Amen
Sayonara Posted July 24, 2004 Posted July 24, 2004 the USA's embrace of the Death Penalty is one of the leading causes of growing anti americanism in europe and rest of the world No, their foreign policy does that. The capital punishment thing is for when you run out of reasons that sound good.
Phi for All Posted July 24, 2004 Posted July 24, 2004 Thank God i'm not the one in charge of all of this anyway.Amen.
YT2095 Posted July 24, 2004 Posted July 24, 2004 I see capital punishment as a waste of resources, many people die daily for the want of an organ replacement or the need for blood or marrow, it would make more sense to harvest the parts from these criminals and force them to become usefull citizens again.
Tesseract Posted July 24, 2004 Posted July 24, 2004 I see capital punishment as a waste of resources, many people die daily for the want of an organ replacement or the need for blood or marrow, it would make more sense to harvest the parts from these criminals and force them to become usefull citizens again. Ok, instead of killing them quickly, you butcher them first? I dont think people should kill people for any reason.
YT2095 Posted July 24, 2004 Posted July 24, 2004 I never mentioned "Butchery" or "Killing" ??? harvesting them for spare parts and blood (whilst keeping them alive and well) so that they may contribute to saving the lives of the innocent and small children, or further victims of crime that need certain human components to remain alive, is a logical solution. it`s maybe not THE solution or the best, but it`s far superior to just slaughtering them and wasting all the good parts that could be better employed saving lives! Thus making them a usefull citizen again
ed84c Posted July 24, 2004 Posted July 24, 2004 In texas you can be executed at any age :-s But lets face it 50% of the time the jury/ judge get i wrong, people who cant afford laywers are on death row not guilty people. (oh hell im beging to sound like a socialist again...., just kidding, no offence lol)
YT2095 Posted July 24, 2004 Posted July 24, 2004 So a guy walks outa jail with a kidney missing and has donated several litres of blood during his/her stay. there are normal non criminals that will do this voluntarily anyway, at least if the guy IS proven innocent later, (s)he still has his/her life, AND the knowledge that (s)he`s saved a life or 2 no one has to die
BeckyK Posted July 24, 2004 Posted July 24, 2004 I think that killing is wrong. Why is it ok for the government to kill? I think it's an easy way out too... Plus how do you know that the accuser is 100% guilty??
Tesseract Posted July 24, 2004 Posted July 24, 2004 I think killing is wrong and bad.There should be a new stronger word for killing like bad-wrong, or badong; Yes, killing is badong and from now on i will stand for the opposite of killing, gnodab.
ed84c Posted July 24, 2004 Posted July 24, 2004 So a guy walks outa jail with a kidney missing and has donated several litres of blood during his/her stay.there are normal non criminals that will do this voluntarily anyway' date=' at least if the guy IS proven innocent later, (s)he still has his/her life[/b'], AND the knowledge that (s)he`s saved a life or 2 no one has to die I agree entirely
pulkit Posted July 24, 2004 Posted July 24, 2004 Killing is wrong and bad and watever......... It is not right for the judiciary to take the life of another human ............. But then don't you feel the capital punishment is a very strong psychological tool as well, just knowing the exsistance of capital punishment in your country may deter you from a larger crime. And given the severity of the crime one must commit to warrant a capital punishment judgement, why shudn't the person be killed, if nothing else then to just set an example
ed84c Posted July 24, 2004 Posted July 24, 2004 anyway who says to die is worse than prison, thinking of suicides in prisons which are huge in number (atleast attempted suicide is)
ed84c Posted July 24, 2004 Posted July 24, 2004 what do you guys think of corpral punishment? I believe its OK, if found not guilty body part can be replaced. Sort of what YT was saying
Tesseract Posted July 24, 2004 Posted July 24, 2004 anyway who says to die is worse than prison, thinking of suicides in prisons which are huge in number (atleast attempted suicide is) I just saying its not your choice.If they want to die there suicide.
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