What are sunspots really?

[truedeity]

I really must put this into a general category because no other category on this form is related to actual science in my view, in fact all of the standard model, cosmologies of science is repugnant. Thus, i pose this topic as a general science topic. All of the universe is electrical / magnetic in nature, I know that all moving bodies in space can be described as a form of electromagnetism not gravity. Primary solar rays as Tesla described are emitted by the sun and are harmonic and relativistic explanations that the sun is governed by a underlining from of nature that exists in the universe through the media, as understood to be electricity. The sun is of plasma, which is its own fundamental form of mater created via electricity, electromagnetism, etc.. as is our sun, and I would speculate that sunspots are more-less gaps of plasma being pushed apart by magnetic flux. furthermore, the standard model does a horrible job explaining away the sun. this explanation implies the beauty of God. you guys out there who waste your time with long division better remember this.

[insane_alien]

whats wrong with the existing explanation of sunspots?

 

and this should belong in speculations

[swansont]

and this should belong in speculations

 

Agreed

[truedeity]

to better answer your question "whats wrong with existing theory on sunspots" i will outline existing problems with the sun as a whole. In the standard model there are really no explanations, yet are natural consequence of the electrical model. Those are heavy elements, solar spectrum, neutrino deficiency, neutrino variability, solar atmosphere, differential rotation by latitude, differential rotation by depth, equatorial plasma torus, the sunspots, sunspot migration, sunspot penumbra, sunspot cycle itself, magnetic field strength, the even magnetic field, helio seismology, solar density, and changing size.

[mooeypoo]

to better answer your question "whats wrong with existing theory on sunspots" i will outline existing problems with the sun as a whole. In the standard model there are really no explanations, yet are natural consequence of the electrical model.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunspot

http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/SunspotCycle.shtml

 

What's not known, truedeity?

 

Those are heavy elements, solar spectrum, neutrino deficiency, neutrino variability, solar atmosphere, differential rotation by latitude, differential rotation by depth, equatorial plasma torus, the sunspots, sunspot migration, sunspot penumbra, sunspot cycle itself, magnetic field strength, the even magnetic field, helio seismology, solar density, and changing size.

... WHAT?

 

We know quite well how sunspots are formed and what causes them. The wordsalad you posted above is just a mishmash of random words semi-related to solar activity.

 

What's unknown and what do you want to fix?

[truedeity]

Ok, let's just focus on 1 thing at a time. Please provide an expiation that describes why the plasma surface of the sun is 6000 C, but the temperature outside of the sun is over 2 million C.

 

second law of thermodynamics prevents heat from flowing directly from the solar photosphere, or surface, at about 5800 kelvins.

[swansont]

Ok, let's just focus on 1 thing at a time. Please provide an expiation that describes why the plasma surface of the sun is 6000 C, but the temperature outside of the sun is over 2 million C.

 

second law of thermodynamics prevents heat from flowing directly from the solar photosphere, or surface, at about 5800 kelvins.

 

It's an as-yet unsolved problem. How is this related to sunspots?

[insane_alien]

i thought they had recently come very close to solving the elevated temperatures about the photosphere by analysing the magnetic fields at that level? i think its called magnetic reconnection.

 

and the fully ionized helium reduces the radiative cooling of the gases.

 

we don't have a complete understanding sure, but we do know something about it.

[swansont]

i thought they had recently come very close to solving the elevated temperatures about the photosphere by analysing the magnetic fields at that level? i think its called magnetic reconnection.

 

and the fully ionized helium reduces the radiative cooling of the gases.

 

we don't have a complete understanding sure, but we do know something about it.

 

There may very well be new data and experiments that shed light on this, of which I am not aware.

 

But mainly I'm wondering what the connection is to sunspots.

[insane_alien]

appart from bein a phenomenon at least partially due to magnetic fields, none.

[truedeity]

Where I am getting at is that the temperature inside the sunspots is less than that of the temperature of the plasma surface. Why wouldn't the sunspots temperature be much different than the atmosphere above the surface?

[insane_alien]

because the part that is several million K above the surface is very very diffuse. its very hot but doesn't contain much heat. sunspots are denser and cooler because the heat flux into them is slowed by the magnetic field lessening convection currents in the plasma. they still glow brighter than an electric arc, but still dimmer than the rest of the surface.

[ponderer]

I really must put this into a general category because no other category on this form is related to actual science in my view, in fact all of the standard model, cosmologies of science is repugnant. Thus, i pose this topic as a general science topic. All of the universe is electrical / magnetic in nature, I know that all moving bodies in space can be described as a form of electromagnetism not gravity. Primary solar rays as Tesla described are emitted by the sun and are harmonic and relativistic explanations that the sun is governed by a underlining from of nature that exists in the universe through the media, as understood to be electricity. The sun is of plasma, which is its own fundamental form of mater created via electricity, electromagnetism, etc.. as is our sun, and I would speculate that sunspots are more-less gaps of plasma being pushed apart by magnetic flux. furthermore, the standard model does a horrible job explaining away the sun. this explanation implies the beauty of God. you guys out there who waste your time with long division better remember this.

 

I gave sunspots some passing thought.

 

I postulated that the galaxy might have gravitational wave spiral arms, that have a wavelength of lightyears, that move faster than the actual stars that make up the galaxy. The spiral arms would then be buffetted by a shallow periodic gravitational tide with a period of years.

 

When the tide is rising the increase in gravitational potential is balanced by reduced solar output, below baseline. When the tide is ebbing, the solar output increases above baseline, releasing the the energy equivalent to the loss of gravitational potential. Then you get solar flares and sun spots. They do seem to be somewhat cyclic.

 

Just a passing thought.

 

Edit to add another passing thought: If all galaxies produce vortex like extremely long period gratity waves, wouldn't that throw off some measurements of light bending around galaxies, depending on where and how the light hits the wave? The gross curvature of space is the whole point. If large scale gravity waves are involved they would be altering the gross curvature of space.

 

Whatever. It's easy enough to test. Our neighbouring stars would have to increase and decrease in solar output in a predictable sequence, with ours, if galatic gravity waves are involved.

 

You would think that someone would have noticed something like that.

Edited January 28, 2010 by ponderer

[Royston]

I gave sunspots some passing thought.

 

I postulated that the galaxy might have gravitational wave spiral arms, that have a wavelength of lightyears, that move faster than the actual stars that make up the galaxy. The spiral arms would then be buffetted by a shallow periodic gravitational tide with a period of years.

 

When the tide is rising the increase in gravitational potential is balanced by reduced solar output, below baseline. When the tide is ebbing, the solar output increases above baseline, releasing the the energy equivalent to the loss of gravitational potential.

 

Just a passing thought.

 

No, there are plenty of examples of isolated stars that display the same behaviour without any influence from other bodies.

[ponderer]

I wonder if shallow gravity waves in general, interfere with each other and produce occasional peaks.

 

Is there such a thing as a soliton gravity wave?

[mooeypoo]

Ponderer, if you want to start a thread with these questions about gravity and gravitational potential, please do, but please keep this thread on topic.