Mars by 2010?

[TimeTraveler]

Doh! Blike you tricked us!

 

The new vision of space outline is something like this:

 

International Space Station Completion - 2010

Retirement of shuttle and completion of the new Crew Exploration Craft -2008

Lunar robotic missions to research for future colonization - 2008-2015

Manned Lunar mission - 2015

Lunar manned base - 2020

Manned Mars mission - 2020-2030

 

But if the private sector kicks it into high gear there will probably be a hotel built on Mars for the astronauts to stay in. They can charge NASA an arm and a leg for the per/night fee.

[ecoli]

I think Bush should concentrate on fixing the earth first he send people to f*@! up another planet.

[Guest tianguo]

I Disgree The #40's

[aguy2]

Maybe, but the astroid belts would be more profitable.

 

aguy2

[2004einstein]

I think Bush should concentrate on fixing the earth first he send people to f*@! up another planet.

I disagree, maybe he should stop f***ing it up in the firstplace though!. The so called national defence budget is more than 10 times that of NASA's. If you want to hug more trees its easy to see which area you could squeeze. SPace exploration has been underfunded for decades, cant the PC people give the guys advancing mankind a break for once?.

[Sayonara]

I Disgree The #40's

What does that mean?

[ecoli]

I'm sorry, I support space exploration, I just don't think Bush is sincere in his efforts to reach mars. 2010? yeah right. I seriously doubt Bush gives a damn about space exploration. Maybe he thinks we'll find oil on Mars. How does he think we'll get to outerspace if he continues to cut spending on non-military research?

[aaronmyung]

I reckon we'd need another cold war for that to happen

[TheGeek]

We are facing too many problems right now. I would say between 2020 to 2025.

[dragonstar57]

a maned mission to mars by 2010 no longer seems likely

[CaptainPanic]

LOL

Good thread to dig up from the archives

[dragonstar57]

I predict a maned mission to the mars will happen ten years after some president doubles the nasa budget

[lemur]

I predict a maned mission to the mars will happen ten years after some president doubles the nasa budget

Or after someone comes up with a bargain method that no budget-hawk could refuse.

[dragonstar57]

Or after someone comes up with a bargain method that no budget-hawk could refuse.

lol

or they open nasa to public donations...or even offer to sell services to compinies such as etching a logo into the martian surface or instead of saying "one small steep for man..." saying "5....5 dollar foooooot looooonggg"

[lemur]

lol

or they open nasa to public donations...or even offer to sell services to compinies such as etching a logo into the martian surface or instead of saying "one small steep for man..." saying "5....5 dollar foooooot looooonggg"

Really, it is unfortunate that in order for a government to fund expensive science and technology developments it is necessary to extract so much extra money out of the economy. To the extent that economic growth pollutes Earth and uses up its resources faster, it would be a shame if getting to Mars destroys Earth in the process.

[dragonstar57]

Really, it is unfortunate that in order for a government to fund expensive science and technology developments it is necessary to extract so much extra money out of the economy. To the extent that economic growth pollutes Earth and uses up its resources faster, it would be a shame if getting to Mars destroys Earth in the process.

why would it?

if nasa allowed people to buy "space bounds" than we would have no economic problems getting to mars

[lemur]

why would it?

if nasa allowed people to buy "space bounds" than we would have no economic problems getting to mars

Commodity trading is what it is. The commodity can be any object or piece of paper from a jewel to an old vase to a painting to "space bounds." The point is what happens on Earth as a result of money changing hands that depletes resources and exploits people.

[dragonstar57]

Commodity trading is what it is. The commodity can be any object or piece of paper from a jewel to an old vase to a painting to "space bounds." The point is what happens on Earth as a result of money changing hands that depletes resources and exploits people.

money is nothing it's just paper the resources that they represent are whats important, and even if we send a ship to space the only tangible resources lost to the earth is the ship which is worth far less as scrap metal.

as long as we use us goods it might not even damage the us economy.

after all the money would go directly back into the economy through the people supplying the resources

[lemur]

money is nothing it's just paper the resources that they represent are whats important, and even if we send a ship to space the only tangible resources lost to the earth is the ship which is worth far less as scrap metal.

as long as we use us goods it might not even damage the us economy.

after all the money would go directly back into the economy through the people supplying the resources

I agree, if it were only about the ship, etc. it wouldn't be a resource waste. It's the fact that everyone who gets paid from the giant budget wastes resources, along with all the people they pay, etc. The basic issue is which forms of social-economic distribution foster the most deleterious cultural-economic practices. It's a tough question because of the complexity of large regimes of consumption-production chains that flow out of any given investment.

[dragonstar57]

I agree, if it were only about the ship, etc. it wouldn't be a resource waste. It's the fact that everyone who gets paid from the giant budget wastes resources, along with all the people they pay, etc. The basic issue is which forms of social-economic distribution foster the most deleterious cultural-economic practices. It's a tough question because of the complexity of large regimes of consumption-production chains that flow out of any given investment.

but the funds would be taken from something (such as getting involved with every conflict in the world) i really doubt that it would change the economy much.

it would just change what money is being spent on not how much is being spent

[lemur]

but the funds would be taken from something (such as getting involved with every conflict in the world) i really doubt that it would change the economy much.

it would just change what money is being spent on not how much is being spent

My point was that the expense of space-travel is due to the high wages and revenues of businesses that create a standard of living that is non sustainable for even an aristocracy indefinitely, let alone everyone globally. Ironically, you mention world conflicts, which are also caused by large economic differences between high paid people like engineers and poor people.

[dragonstar57]

My point was that the expense of space-travel is due to the high wages and revenues of businesses that create a standard of living that is non sustainable for even an aristocracy indefinitely, let alone everyone globally. Ironically, you mention world conflicts, which are also caused by large economic differences between high paid people like engineers and poor people.

the more advanced the slower it's population growth hopefully the advanced nations will begin to have a negative population capable of making the world population growth 0 or even negative

then HOPEFULLY the population will shrink to the point that the whole world will be able to have the standard of living as the US does now

at this point i would like to see a 1 child policy in the US (perhaps cutting tax breaks for multiple children born after the making of the law) but strategies of cutting global population deserves its own thread

[Curious layman]

On 1/20/2003 at 5:16 AM, blike said:

Will we make it to mars by the year 2010, as president Bush has suggested?

 

On 1/20/2003 at 8:08 PM, fafalone said:

I'd say by 2020.

Nope.

Early 2030s I reckon. Elon might disagree, but what does he know.

On 6/18/2004 at 3:43 PM, budullewraagh said:

not a chance in hell; we'll be $1.2 trillion in debt by then if bush stays in office. good thing he won't

Lol.

As of August 31, 2020, federal debt held by the public was $20.83 trillion and intragovernmental holdings were $5.88 trillion, for a total national debt of $26.70 trillion.^[5][6] At the end of 2020, debt held by the public was approximately 99.3% of GDP.