blike Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 I want to scientifically determine the validity of a certain "theory" some off-the-wall psuedoscientific site is putting out. I don't have the URL off hand, but its some gun you can "build" to break up clouds. Sounds pretty wack, right? Wait till you hear the explanation of why it works. The problem comes with the actual observations of the results. Basically I'll be observing the clouds to see what happens when this "gun" is pointed at them. So how should I measure this? My plan is to build the gun and randomly assign clouds to point the gun at. I'll also assign control clouds that are measured, but which the gun is not pointed at. Then I'll assign clouds to point the gun at, but not activate the mechanism that supposedly triggers the response in the clouds. This way I'll not only have assessed whether or not it works, but also the theory behind it. I just need to know how I should "measure" this.... no breakup, mild breakup, total breakup? Something like that? How can I put this into quantifiable data so someone could repeat the experiment... suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fafalone Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 here's my suggestion: don't waste your time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blike Posted January 20, 2003 Author Share Posted January 20, 2003 Just a small project for fun, party pooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radical Edward Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 you didn't tell us why it worked... if we have some idea of the 'principle' then we might be able to come up with a testing regimen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blike Posted January 20, 2003 Author Share Posted January 20, 2003 If you saw why it worked, you would instantly declare it bull, as I have. Basically its water running through some kind of tube, and a copper barrel pointed at the clouds. Supposedly theres some kind of life force that water carries that is channeled through the barrel and somehow breaks up clouds. I'll have to look up the webpage, its saved on a disk somewhere. I'm interested in this because someone showed me a smaller scale one they had built, and to my shock/horror it functioned very well. He demonstrated it three times on three different clouds, but that doesn't eliminate chance. Thats why I'm interested. If I build this and do it under controlled conditions, hopefully I can show him its BS. Why am I wasting time showing him its BS? Because I have free time on my hands, and it would be a project to work on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radical Edward Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 you'll also have to pick different days, and different areas as well... I mention different areas because I've seen some really wierd recurring events that can only be attributed to the lie of the land - such as con coatlines, or sharply rising lonely mountains and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blike Posted January 20, 2003 Author Share Posted January 20, 2003 you'll also have to pick different days, and different areas as well... I mention different areas because I've seen some really wierd recurring events that can only be attributed to the lie of the land - such as con coatlines, or sharply rising lonely mountains and so on. yea, I was going to do different days, but I probably won't be able to do different areas. All of florida pretty much has wierd weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blike Posted January 20, 2003 Author Share Posted January 20, 2003 Somehow this got moved to psuedoscience, but psuedoscience would be pushing this theory with a lack of proper scientific evidence. I'm not pushing the theory, I want to test it scientifically. If I use the scientific method to test the hypothesis, then it isn't psuedoscience, no matter what the hypothesis is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radical Edward Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 well tbh, you want to pick somewhere with pretty stable weather, and measure differences from the norm. also pick stable cloud patterns - don't pick small ones as they usually come about for some localised reason, such as the top of a hill, or sudden rush of warm air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blike Posted January 20, 2003 Author Share Posted January 20, 2003 don't pick small ones as they usually come about for some localised reason, such as the top of a hill, or sudden rush of warm air. Won't have to worry about this too much in florida. There are no hills within a few hundred miles of where I live. All our air is warm, we never get any cold air. I'll try to avoid thin, whispy clouds though, they have a tendency to form and disappear within minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blike Posted January 20, 2003 Author Share Posted January 20, 2003 Thanks for suggestions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fafalone Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 I don't believe you're actually trying this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radical Edward Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 Originally posted by blike Won't have to worry about this too much in florida. There are no hills within a few hundred miles of where I live. All our air is warm, we never get any cold air. I'll try to avoid thin, whispy clouds though, they have a tendency to form and disappear within minutes. no hills and warm air.... do you have a free room I can move in to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fafalone Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 No cold air? What about our current cold front? It was 38F here in miami the other night. That's cold enough to snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blike Posted January 21, 2003 Author Share Posted January 21, 2003 No cold air? What about our current cold front? It was 38F here in miami the other night. That's cold enough to snow Fluke! I war a sleeveless shirt to play tennis in today, it was mid-70s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fafalone Posted January 21, 2003 Share Posted January 21, 2003 Yeah most of time its in the upper 80s here :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 21, 2003 Share Posted January 21, 2003 Originally posted by fafalone here's my suggestion: don't waste your time If we all thought the same way as you, MAN would still be called a caveman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fafalone Posted January 21, 2003 Share Posted January 21, 2003 If we all thought like me, we'd be much farther ahead because we wouldn't deal with the ravings of crackpots whose ideas have no scientific merit whatsoever. Remind me to restrict your posting privileges to the pseudoscience forum only, psychopath. Remember your little tirade in the chat room that said Nibiru was going to hit earth last august? Fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted January 21, 2003 Share Posted January 21, 2003 Originally posted by fafalone If we all thought like me, we'd be much farther ahead because we wouldn't deal with the ravings of crackpots whose ideas have no scientific merit whatsoever. Remind me to restrict your posting privileges to the pseudoscience forum only, psychopath. Remember your little tirade in the chat room that said Nibiru was going to hit earth last august? Fool. There's a chatroom? Something tells me Adam doesn't want to stay in pseudoscience. Probably because of all the gnawed bones in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fafalone Posted January 21, 2003 Share Posted January 21, 2003 just an aol programming chat room, which doesn't exist anymore because of morons like adam. not only that, adam is a freaking cretin and he wasn't even close to the dumbest one there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 21, 2003 Share Posted January 21, 2003 Originally posted by Sayonara³ There's a chatroom? Something tells me Adam doesn't want to stay in pseudoscience. Probably because of all the gnawed bones in there and something tell me Sayonara³ is little TOO obsessed over me , replying to my every post. =) Psuedoscience is a way to discover the mysteries of reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 21, 2003 Share Posted January 21, 2003 Originally posted by fafalone If we all thought like me, we'd be much farther ahead because we wouldn't deal with the ravings of crackpots whose ideas have no scientific merit whatsoever. Remind me to restrict your posting privileges to the pseudoscience forum only, psychopath. Remember your little tirade in the chat room that said Nibiru was going to hit earth last august? Fool. what are you talking about? Planet x is on it's way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fafalone Posted January 21, 2003 Share Posted January 21, 2003 Last june, you said it would be here in august. that time has come and gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 21, 2003 Share Posted January 21, 2003 I already told you, i didn't say it was going to happen in august , i said it was going to happen in may , are you that [edit] stupid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fafalone Posted January 21, 2003 Share Posted January 21, 2003 You said August. And use language like that again you will be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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