Terrorism and fiction

[bloodhound]

the terrorist attacks on the scale of 911 used to be stuff of fiction

 

I just finished reading a book "the mark of the assasin" by daniel silva

 

heres how the story goes

 

> There is an international private society. its membership included rogue intelligence officers, international crime organisations, and powerful business moguls"

 

>the society's founding creed declared peace was dangerous. its members believed constant controlled global tension served the interests of all. it prevented complacency. it maintained viginalce. it built national identity. and most of all it made them money, a good deal of money

 

>its an election year. the president is down on polls

 

>the society orders a shooting down of an american plane near new york, killing about 200 people. and framing a palestinian liberation organisation"

 

>mossads deputy director of operation is a member of the society. he's been fighting for israel all his life, but got angry at the possible peace deal and land negotiations"

 

>the person who ran KGB is also member of the society. hes watched the russian economy go into ground. military equipment rusting. KGB laughin stock of the intell commuity"

 

>the president has no choice but to bomb the traning camps.

 

>president re-elected.

 

>a senior member of the american gov is a member of the society, and is into arms manufacturing.

 

>president pushed forward the Missile shield which is going to cost a lot of money

 

>start of a new international arms race, money made across the world

 

>the palestenian liberation org. his london heathrow killing 36 people"

 

>Middle east peace plan grounded to a halt

 

 

 

thats how most of the stoy goes. This book was written in 1998 and i can't help but to see the similarities between the novel and the present.

 

it reads like a conspiraty theory. but is it possible that something like this. (on a much smaller scale) is going on.

[YT2095]

with anything like that, the likes of you and I are HIGHLY unlikely to ever know about or hear about in our lifetimes (and if we did, they`de have to kill us, LOL).

 

think of it this way, have you ever heard someone talking about someone else in a non flatering way? (sure you have).

now invest Billions into it and entire organisations! is it any wonder that $hit happens?

[AL]

The movie "The Siege" starring Denzel Washington came out in roughly '98 also and it showed many things resembling the aftermath of 9/11.

 

If there's any conspiracy going on though, it's the sheer amount of money writers and film-producers are making on conspiracy theories.

[atinymonkey]

> There is an international private society (of Oil Tycoons and Businessmen). its membership included rogue intelligence officers (George Bush snr ex CIA head), international crime organisations (Enron and Bush Jnr ), and powerful business moguls (Skull and Bones society)"

 

>the society's founding creed declared peace was dangerous (politically and economically, it is). its members believed constant controlled global tension served the interests of all (mainly in protecting foreign investment). it prevented complacency. it maintained vigilance. it built national identity. and most of all it made them money, a good deal of money (Hey, everyone needs Oil)

 

>its an election year. the president is down on polls (No wars, and a budget defecit thank to tax break for the super rich).

 

>the society orders a shooting down of an American plane near New York, killing about 200 people. and framing a Palestinian liberation organisation" (Read, tragic event taken over to motivate political ambition)

 

>mossads deputy director of operation is a member of the society (er, probably not). he's been fighting for Israel all his life, but got angry at the possible peace deal and land negotiations" (that’s probably true for some of Mossad, but irrelevant)

 

>the person who ran KGB is also member of the society. he’s watched the Russian economy go into ground. military equipment rusting. KGB laughing stock of the Intel community"(Ah, Mr Vladimir Putin, welcome to the story)

 

>the president has no choice but to bomb the training camps. (to secure Daddies oil, and his inheritance)

 

>president re-elected. (Cause he, like, saved us from Terror Nazis)

 

>a senior member of the American gov is a member of the society, and is into arms manufacturing. (Arms, Oil, it’s all drawing on the same funds)

 

>President pushed forward the Missile shield which is going to cost a lot of money (billions shelled out for the Iraq occupation)

 

>Start of a new international arms race, money made across the world (Start of a new international Police force, kickbacks in reconstruction grants, foreign investment and Oil)

 

>The Palestinian liberation org. his London Heathrow killing 36 people" (Hmmm, fantasy but Spain had this happen)

 

>Middle east peace plan grounded to a halt (Pah, it’s never started)

[DreamLord]

These books do bear a lot of similarities with the real world sometimes. There was a book (Ludlem or Clancy I believe) where terrorists hijacked planes and drove them into American buildings. Sound familiar? Written a few years before 9/11.

[Misodoctakleidi]

9/11 wasn't a terrorist attack.

[Cap'n Refsmmat]

What was it then?

Or are you saying that September 11th was not a terrorist attack, the events in it were?

[Misodoctakleidi]

I'm saying that that the 9/11 attack wasn't terrorism, it was just mass murder.

[Cap'n Refsmmat]

(which is basically the same thing)

terrorism: n : the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimindation or coercion or instilling fear

mass murder: n : the savage and excessive killing of many people

 

 

(yes, I know, for the love of Jebus, Dictionary.com is not a technical reference)

[Misodoctakleidi]

I agree with the definitions but I'd hardly say it was the same thing.

 

It's possible to kill great numbers of people with no ideological goal in mind, it's also possible to insight terror for political ends without killing anyone.

[Cap'n Refsmmat]

They did have an ideaological goal. What was it? Well, to get rid of the evil infidels who aren't muslim (not to be racist here, sorry).

[Misodoctakleidi]

Or so we presume.

 

If that was there goal then it still wouldn't constitute an act of terrorism, it was the act it's self which killed the "infidels" not the use of violence to insight terror.

[Cap'n Refsmmat]

It did incite terror. Everyone was scared about more attacks and chemical and biological weapons.

Why don't you go ask Mr. bin Laden just what the point was?

[Misodoctakleidi]

But the terror it insighted didn't achieve the goal of killing "infidels," it was the act it's self, the terror was merely a side effect.

[Cap'n Refsmmat]

How should you know? Did you ask?

[Misodoctakleidi]

Are you now suggesting that killing "infidels" wasn't the goal?

[Cap'n Refsmmat]

Can't there be more than one goal?

[Misodoctakleidi]

Yes but just becuase it could have been terrorism doesn't mean it was, unless we know of other goals whoch would conform to the definition of terrorism then we should presume that it wasn't.

[Sayonara]

The goal was to make it clear that America could be successfully targetted and attacked, at any time, even by people who held genuine passports and had lived among "true" Americans.

 

I think they made their point quite well; judging by the fallout it seemed to terrorise the pants off most people.

[atinymonkey]

It's an interesting view. The attack was not performed to elicit a response, nor was it to further any goals (political or otherwise). Ergo, it was not a 'terrorist attack', but more simply 'an attack'.

 

However, the definition of language is in it use. If 9/11 is commonly known by governments as a terrorist attack, then the definition of terrorist includes 9/11.