In the search of the H particle

[Flak]

First of all, hello.

 

On the new yesterday was published that scientist of the world are on the search of the so called H particle or Higgs`s particle. This particle is belived that it give mass to the bosons W and Z.

In theory, to know about this particle, is needed to build a 30km lenght particle acelerator wich fire two oposite charges (dont remember correctly if there was a proton and electron) to colide, on such colition and anti-material phenomenon apear and there is presumed that the H particle will show itself. In short this is the Big Bang.

 

This in theory, but in practice this can work?. First to make such instalation is needed 5,000,000,000,000 U$. About anti-material effect, when anti-material, let say that in little quantity, get in contact with matery make a chain reaction effect getting worse or make an effect and then colapse before went worse?, can anti-matery get aislated to avoid that?. In short the experiment is safe?

[TheProphet]

First of all' date=' hello.

 

On the new yesterday was published that scientist of the world are on the search of the so called H particle or Higgs`s particle. This particle is belived that it give mass to the bosons W and Z.

In theory, to know about this particle, is needed to build a 30km lenght particle acelerator wich fire two oposite charges (dont remember correctly if there was a proton and electron) to colide, on such colition and anti-material phenomenon apear and there is presumed that the H particle will show itself. In short this is the Big Bang.

 

This in theory, but in practice this can work?. First to make such instalation is needed 5,000,000,000,000 U$. About anti-material effect, when anti-material, let say that in little quantity, get in contact with matery make a chain reaction effect getting worse or make an effect and then colapse before went worse?, can anti-matery get aislated to avoid that?. In short the experiment is safe?[/quote']

 

Yes You can isolate Antimatter with the same techniques now being used to with hold Fusion. Which is Very strong Magnetic Fields!

[Flak]

Thanks for clarify about anti-matter aislation. In the news this was called as a "tenebrous and dark part of the science", why?

[TheProphet]

Thanks for clarify about anti-matter aislation. In the news this was called as a "tenebrous and dark part of the science", why?

 

They maybe was reflecting on the Multi Billion $ Figure

[Flak]

Probably , but the fact is that this is not anything tested before. Well maybe in the past electric energy researching was considered a dark and tenebrous part of the science aswell.

[Severian]

On the new yesterday was published that scientist of the world are on the search of the so called H particle or Higgs`s particle. This particle is belived that it give mass to the bosons W and Z.

 

This is not something new. We have been looking for this for around 30 years now. The Large Hadron Collider (which turns on in 2007) should find the Higgs boson if it is there. The new thing which was reported on the news recently (to which you are presumably refering) is that the technology choice for the linear collider has been decided. I posted a news thread on this just over a week ago. The LC is not designed to find the Higgs boson - it is designed to accurately measure its properties after the LHC finds it (it is sometimes refered to as a 'precision machine').

 

In theory' date=' to know about this particle, is needed to build a 30km lenght particle acelerator wich fire two oposite charges (dont remember correctly if there was a proton and electron) to colide, on such colition and anti-material phenomenon apear and there is presumed that the H particle will show itself. In short this is the Big Bang.

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For the LC, the collision is between an electron and a positron. It is only like the Big bang in that it is producing matter and antimatter in equal amounts, but it is way below the energy of the big bang. The LHC collides two protons together.

 

This in theory, but in practice this can work?. First to make such instalation is needed 5,000,000,000,000 U$.

 

It can work. The technology is now well understood, and initial test acceleration modules have been constructed. In fact a proposal for a LC called TESLA has already had a Technical Design Report written. Although the accelaration technology is somewhat novel, the principle of colliding particles togther is not - the LEP collider also collided together electrons and positrons for example.

 

But it is not going to cost $5,000,000,000,000 - you have a few too many zero's. I believe it is something in the region of $5,000,000,000 (the European costing was a bit less, at $3B I think).

 

About anti-material effect, when anti-material, let say that in little quantity, get in contact with matery make a chain reaction effect getting worse or make an effect and then colapse before went worse?, can anti-matery get aislated to avoid that?. In short the experiment is safe?

 

It is true that there was for a short time a little bit of a worry about this for the LHC (not the LC, but the principles remain the same). If there are large extra dimensions (ie that have not been compactified too extremely) then potentially the Planck scale could be as low as a TeV or so. Then the LHC could potentially have enough energy to create a black hole. It was worried that the black hole would then go on to eat away parts of the detector, or even worse eat the Earth. So a comission was set up with many eminent scientists to investigate this possibility and it was soon realised that even if a black hole were produced, it would evaporate via Hawking radiation very quickly and is no danger. In fact, there are now programs which simulate balck hole production at the LHC, and seeing one would be a major scientific acheivement.

 

So you can sleep safe...

[Flak]

It is true that there was for a short time a little bit of a worry about this for the LHC (not the LC' date=' but the principles remain the same). If there are large extra dimensions (ie that have not been compactified too extremely) then potentially the Planck scale could be as low as a TeV or so. Then the LHC could potentially have enough energy to create a black hole. It was worried that the black hole would then go on to eat away parts of the detector, or even worse eat the Earth. So a comission was set up with many eminent scientists to investigate this possibility and it was soon realised that even if a black hole were produced, it would evaporate via Hawking radiation very quickly and is no danger. In fact, there are now programs which simulate balck hole production at the LHC, and seeing one would be a major scientific acheivement.

 

So you can sleep safe...[/quote']

 

Thanks for the clarifications above. About your last coment.. will be a good idea to create a space vessel to evacuate the Earth, just in case .

Really worring.

[Uqk1035]

Yes You can isolate Antimatter with the same techniques now being used to with hold Fusion. Which is Very strong Magnetic Fields!

 

I agree very strong magnetic fields is a big factor. I was also thinking about a operation containing the use of Earth's magnetic field juxtapose with alternative magnetic field as an array of disturbance and cohesion in a confinement. I know it is a very broad mentioning, but the technicalities might be explained by someone better. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I'm very curious about the 'h particle as well... if the mass is 'lighter' than that of an electron (which have its own contradiction) or the properties it carries is of very similar to that of an electron or IF it even exist at all.